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ORRFForever said:
I'll bet you a shiny loonie the Russian players play under another name.
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How about a handle bet?

Mine is currently 'where is the room Kenny' (which needs an update since he was very good this offseason)

If you win and Russian's are there I will change my handle to Go Russia Go during the tourney. If I win, yours has to be Go Czechs Go!

Disclaimer: If the war ends and Russians resume everything else like Davis Cup, Soccer etc then the bet is off.

Deal?
 
Czechboy said:
How about a handle bet?

Mine is currently 'where is the room Kenny' (which needs an update since he was very good this offseason)

If you win and Russian's are there I will change my handle to Go Russia Go during the tourney. If I win, yours has to be Go Czechs Go!

Disclaimer: If the war ends and Russians resume everything else like Davis Cup, Soccer etc then the bet is off.

Deal?
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Deal. But, TBH, I don't know what you mean. Kenny?

Do you mean the little picture for our HF account?

If so, if I win...

During the tournament, you have to change your picture to either Pope Francis or Mother Teresa. :)
 
ORRFForever said:
Deal. But, TBH, I don't know what you mean. Kenny?

Do you mean the little picture for our HF account?

If so, if I win...

During the tournament, you have to change your picture to either Pope Francis or Mother Teresa. :)
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The message under your name.
 
JackSlater said:
Interesting, I had heard a similar but less definitive statement on NHL radio but couldn't find a source in writing. Somewhat surprised to hear that they would like to have 10 teams. It's also very typical of the NHL to open itself up to the possibility of Russia being banned but also winning.
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I'm not really surprised. You can't really have a true best on best tournament without Russian players participating.
 
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Too bad Buttman sold the credibility of this tournament for a bag of Canadian cash.

All the games involving those gimmick teams ought to be nullified and scratched from the books, for good.
 
Albatros said:
You also can't have a "true best-on-best tournament" with Russian participation. Especially in Europe there's zero willingness to play against them.
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Well, maybe that's how it plays out. The NHL appears to be inclined to allow Russian players to play even if it isn't under their flag. Maybe that changes once everything gets finalized. I also think your willingness statement is hyperbole.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Well, maybe that's how it plays out. The NHL appears to be inclined to allow Russian players to play even if it isn't under their flag. Maybe that changes once everything gets finalized. I also think your willingness statement is hyperbole.
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Most relevant European federations have banned even their own players that still play in Russia, I really don't see how playing against any incarnation of Team Russia could be negotiated successfully. The NHL is doing itself a disservice by even proposing that because it makes the whole World Cup occurring less likely.
 
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Albatros said:
Most relevant European federations have banned even their own players that still play in Russia, I really don't see how playing against any incarnation of Team Russia could be negotiated successfully. The NHL is doing itself a disservice by even proposing that because it makes the whole World Cup occurring less likely.
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Last time they blamed covid... This time they will blame the other federations for refusing to play.lol
 
Daly all but confirms no Russia (or Belarus) as long as those teams remained banned from international sports.

It will be 8 teams (6 auto qualifiers) and two play ins at the start of the tournament.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

With or without Russia, 2024 World Cup of Hockey inches closer to reality

The NHL, NHLPA and IIHF are progressing in the planning process for a tournament in February 2024, with format tweaks...
www.dailyfaceoff.com www.dailyfaceoff.com
 
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abcnews.go.com

NHL considering World Cup play-in for 2024, unsure on Russians, commissioner Bill Daly says

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Told ya... :)

"While Daly said it was too early to determine how Russia would appear in the World Cup, he said Russian players will participate in the event."

"Certainly, we'd like that and I think our Russian players would like that. So we would certainly like to accommodate them in some credible way,"

That could mean taking a similar approach to the Olympics and having Russian players competing but not under their national team's name and flag."

Team O.V. !!!!

Again, it is a NHLPA event (along with the NHL) and Russian players pay dues. Therefore, there is zero chance they won't be included.
 
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ORRFForever said:
Again, it is a NHLPA event (along with the NHL) and Russian players pays dues. Therefore, there is zero chance they won't be included.
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It's also an IIHF event, and the Europeans have no reason to care about the status of Russian players in the NHL or within the NHLPA. Also the money is not going to be good enough to change that.
 
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Albatros said:
It's also an IIHF event, and the Europeans have no reason to care about the status of Russian players in the NHL or within the NHLPA. Also the money is not going to be good enough to change that.
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I stand by Daily's quote.

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I stand by Daily's quote.

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knock it off with the stupid f&*(%ing memes.

If Russian players are included in whatever gimmicky title they want to give them, Team O.V. or Team Pariah, I suspect then several European Hockey Federations (Finland, Sweden etc) will say we don't want to be involved. The NHL can't ice a team of Team Finland in with Team Finland uniforms due to this little thing called copyright. If the NHL wants to force Finnish players to play on a team called NHL Stars from Finland and have them play against a team called Team Pariah, they can try. I don't think the NHL is going to get very far. It will be a tournament of 8 gimmicky teams more of a gimmick than the 2016 tournament was.

Good luck trying to make any $$$$$ with that nonsense gimmick.
 
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ORRFForever said:
abcnews.go.com

NHL considering World Cup play-in for 2024, unsure on Russians, commissioner Bill Daly says

abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

Told ya... :)

"While Daly said it was too early to determine how Russia would appear in the World Cup, he said Russian players will participate in the event."

"Certainly, we'd like that and I think our Russian players would like that. So we would certainly like to accommodate them in some credible way,"

That could mean taking a similar approach to the Olympics and having Russian players competing but not under their national team's name and flag."

Team O.V. !!!!

Again, it is a NHLPA event (along with the NHL) and Russian players pay dues. Therefore, there is zero chance they won't be included.
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I'm glad the NHL hasn't gone full woke. We then get to enjoy exciting hockey.
 
Conspiracy Theorist said:
I'm glad the NHL hasn't gone full woke. We then get to enjoy exciting hockey.
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It's not a question of woke. Russians are NHLPA members and pay dues. They have a say.

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I am going to drop out of this thread.

Too many posters upset over something they/we have no control over. You can argue among yourselves. Enjoy.
 
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My only thoughts on this are:

1. A lot can, and will change, over the next year-and-a-half with respect to the Russia/Ukraine situation (and the situation within Russia itself).

2. If the organizing bodies insist on Russian players participating in the tournament, even under a non-Russian flag/name I'd expect substantial push-back from other European hockey nations like Sweden, Finland, Slovakia and Czechia (and Denmark, to the extent they're invited) against their inclusion...so much so, I'd have substantial doubt the tournament would even proceed. So, do the organizing bodies insist on a Team Not-Russia participating, or take what they can get with U.S., Canada + 4 or 6 European nations?

3. While I'm strongly opposed to Russian players participating in any World Cup (barring an end to the war, removal of troops from Ukraine, war crime tribunals, etc, etc), I suppose that if they do participating they should be confined to one team, and not some 2016-style gimmick team...in that respect, it sounds like what Daly is proposing makes the most sense in order to preserve a "best-on-best" style tournament.

4. I know of some Russian OHL players that have been unable to secure passports to play in Canada for the upcoming season. At this point, I don't think any of us understand the ramifications of possible further sanctions on Russian nationals by the Canadian/U.S. governments.

All to say, at this point I doubt the tournament will proceed as currently contemplated.
 
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