Blue Jays Discussion: Winter Meetings: Because there's no more fitting time to talk baseball than December

[Woodman19]

That's exactly what's going on. Especially since Beeston has tons of connections around the league as well.

Its so cute, its like he almost thinks that its going to change things.

If anything, this is setting Shapiro up to look like a genius if he can pull off another playoff run.

 

[zeke]

Offering a ~180m contract and losing handedly is considered a bidding war?

Don't be so naive in thinking that Price would have stayed if they offered him the same contract that the Cards did.

Price thought he was going to STL until the red sox bid up at the last minute. That's called a bidding war.

keep making excuses. everyone knew where the price was going to end up.

 

[zeke]

what are you guys going to say when you realize that we're not going to be able to afford bautista and ee either, and that shapiro is going to spread.that money out over a few hunks of junk to diversify his risk again next offseason?

hey, maybe shapiro will be SO goodnat drafting and developing that maybe just maybe in 5-10yrs he'll have developed a core as good and as affordable as price/stro/donaldson/tulo/martin/bautista/ee all at the same time.

what are the chances, you think?

can't wait to see!

 

[The Nemesis]

Price thought he was going to STL until the red sox bid up at the last minute. That's called a bidding war.

keep making excuses. everyone knew where the price was going to end up.

Funny that the Red Sox were rumored well before Price actually signed to be willing to vastly outspend anyone else in their pursuit of him.

 

[Muston Atthews]

what are you guys going to say when you realize that we're not going to be able to afford bautista and ee either, and that shapiro is going to spread.that money out over a few hunks of junk to diversify his risk again next offseason?

hey, maybe shapiro will be SO goodnat drafting and developing that maybe just maybe in 5-10yrs he'll have developed a core as good and as affordable as price/stro/donaldson/tulo/martin/bautista/ee all at the same time.

what are the chances, you think?

can't wait to see!

See you in 5-10 years then?

 

[Woodman19]

what are you guys going to say when you realize that we're not going to be able to afford bautista and ee either, and that shapiro is going to spread.that money out over a few hunks of junk to diversify his risk again next offseason?

hey, maybe shapiro will be SO goodnat drafting and developing that maybe just maybe in 5-10yrs he'll have developed a core as good and as affordable as price/stro/donaldson/tulo/martin/bautista/ee all at the same time.

what are the chances, you think?

can't wait to see!

I think its quite likely they are both gone. We will fetch a pair of picks and go from there. If we were not contending they would likely be traded this offseason but alas the optics of losing Price is already enough to deal with.

 

[zeke]

Funny that the Red Sox were rumored well before Price actually signed to be willing to vastly outspend anyone else in their pursuit of him.

sox had to overbid. they're a last place the with a bad public history with Price.

we didn’t.

 

[rdawg1234]

I think its quite likely they are both gone. We will fetch a pair of picks and go from there. If we were not contending they would likely be traded this offseason but alas the optics of losing Price is already enough to deal with.

So we just came from 2 wins away from a world series and now we're talking about getting rid of two of our best home-run hitters! It was a great run while it lasted!

 

[habamillions]

damn iwakuma close to deal with Lad that was one of the guys i wanted the jays to look at. But realistically what u see is what u get unless a guy slips off the radar

 

[The Nemesis]

sox had to overbid. they're a last place the with a bad public history with Price.

we didn’t.

Not my point. But you're fooling yourself if you think that Price would've gone anywhere, even Toronto, while leaving substantial amounts of money on the table with the Sox out there willing to spend what they did.

 

[tp71]

Not my point. But you're fooling yourself if you think that Price would've gone anywhere, even Toronto, while leaving substantial amounts of money on the table with the Sox out there willing to spend what they did.

Probably not, but with Toronto not offering anything, we'll never really know the truth of that question will we?

 

[TF97]

Reading this thread has made me consider seeing a therapist.

 

[tml19]

what are you guys going to say when you realize that we're not going to be able to afford bautista and ee either, and that shapiro is going to spread.that money out over a few hunks of junk to diversify his risk again next offseason?

hey, maybe shapiro will be SO goodnat drafting and developing that maybe just maybe in 5-10yrs he'll have developed a core as good and as affordable as price/stro/donaldson/tulo/martin/bautista/ee all at the same time.

what are the chances, you think?

can't wait to see!

6/7ths of that core you spoke of are still around. Price was a rental, never part of the core. I don't understand why you can't accept that.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

This just screams PR move more than anything. I don't see a scenario where Price would have signed with the Jays, even if Anthopolous is still around and prepares an offer.

 

[zeke]

price thought he was part of that core. betcha Bautista did too.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star, even though there may be a shortage of actual trades by the Toronto Blue Jays this week, there are plenty of useful relief pitchers out there as free agents, and that is an area of need for the AL East champions.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...-for-a-little-relief-at-meetings-griffin.html

But even though there may be a shortage of actual trades by the Jays this week, there are plenty of useful relief pitchers out there as free agents, and that is an area of need for the AL East champions.

“It’s an area of opportunity,” Atkins said at his Friday press conference. “Similar to starting pitching, you can never have enough. They are available. It will depend on acquisition price.”

In that same Friday presser, there was a slight disagreement between Shapiro and Atkins. While Atkins spoke first and said he was happy with the major-league rotation as is and that they needed to add depth for the organization, meaning Buffalo and New Hampshire, Shapiro quickly jumped in and suggested that every organization needed at least eight major-league starters and the Jays needed more. But on the subject of the bullpen, they agreed. The Jays need help in the pen.

Atkins reminded that the Indians were the first team to regularly go with an eight-man bullpen and that starters aren’t as important as finding a way to get to 27 outs. But if you’re going to ride bullpens like that, you need to have eight pitchers you can trust out there. Let’s count the current relievers that you can say manager John Gibbons really trusts.

There are some candidates out there as free agents, including Canadian right-hander John Axford, who pitched in mile-high Colorado last year and worked 60 games with 25 saves and 62 strikeouts in 55 2/3 innings. He made $2.6 million. Re-signing Lowe would also be a good idea. Others that could flesh out the pen include Tyler Clippard (Mets), Shawn Kelley (Padres), Sean Marshall (Reds), Greg Holland (Royals) and Tony Sipp, (Astros) who pitched for Shapiro in Cleveland.

The Rangers have a full stable of strong-armed relievers, with Shawn Tolleson, Keone Kela, Sam Dyson, Jake Diekman and Tom Wilhelmsen. They are believed willing to move one and are looking for a right-handed bat and a bottom-of-the-rotation starter. The Jays have both.

 

[Eyedea]

Price thought he was going to STL until the red sox bid up at the last minute. That's called a bidding war.

keep making excuses. everyone knew where the price was going to end up.

Boston threw that deal out and said you have 48 hours or we're moving on to Greinke. He accepted it knowing full well nobody was coming close to that offer.

damn iwakuma close to deal with Lad that was one of the guys i wanted the jays to look at. But realistically what u see is what u get unless a guy slips off the radar

Jays also would have had to sacrifice their first round selection. Last thing the team is looking to do right now is lose picks.

price thought he was part of that core. betcha Bautista did too.

Uh huh. Cespedes wishes he is a Met for life too. Money talks however and there was no way anybody was matching the Red Sox's pursuit.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Schenn]

The Greinke decision came after the Price decision...

 

[Muston Atthews]

The Greinke decision came after the Price decision...

I think he means that neither the Dodgers nor Giants were going to offer had they had gotten Greinke but were waiting on him to do so.

 

[tml19]

The Greinke decision came after the Price decision...

Those two teams would not offer until Greinkie chose. Price ended up chosing first so they didnt really make offers.

 

[habamillions]

Those two teams would not offer until Greinkie chose. Price ended up chosing first so they didnt really make offers.

so really only 3 teams made offers then

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to the Boston Globe, at the start of the offseason, Bo McKinnis and David Price sketched out a list of the teams to target and avoid. The keys were less financial — there was little doubt he would be richly paid — and more about long-term competitiveness, style of play, and the quality of the various ballparks, facilities, and training staffs.

Price’s initial list included five National League teams — the Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, and Nationals — and six American League teams, with the Red Sox joined by the Royals, Twins, and Price’s three former teams, the Blue Jays, Rays, and Tigers.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/12/05/price/9fixJHvzvF2OJVPLqd2TVP/story.html

The Red Sox wasted little time in moving from the good feelings of their face-to-face meeting to a formal offer that made their interest tangible.

Within a day or two, the team made an initial proposal: seven years, $200 million, a sum that would make Price the third pitcher (after Clayton Kershaw and Max Scherzer) to break the $200 million mark. The sides agreed to resume conversations after Thanksgiving.

By that point, the market for Price had crystallized. Of the AL teams on his list, the Royals, Rays, and Twins weren’t going to have the resources to bid; the Blue Jays moved for mid-rotation options Marco Estrada and J.A. Happ; and the Tigers moved aggressively after the top pitcher in the second tier of free agents, signing righthander Zimmermann to a five-year, $110 million deal.

Price’s market was down to five teams. According to a major league source, the Red Sox were the lone AL bidder, while the lefthander received offers from the Giants, Dodgers, Cubs, and Cardinals.

McKinnis approached the Sox with a counterproposal last Monday evening. But based on the state of the bids that day — with the Red Sox at $200 million — it wasn’t clear that Price was going to sign with Boston. Indeed, the pitcher appeared to be leaning toward the Cardinals, who had a $180 million bid on the table and had given the impression that they might be willing to up the ante.

“[St. Louis] was the direction we were going in. They were being quite aggressive with us. They were anxious to move forward,†said McKinnis. “It had nothing to do with liking or disliking the Red Sox. It was more just the courtship by the Cardinals.â€

On Tuesday, Casey Close, the representative for Greinke, informed the Sox that the righthander wanted to know if the Sox planned to make a formal offer.

Not yet. Dombrowski demonstrated what one team official characterized as “tunnel vision,†wanting to see if he could bring Plan A to a successful resolution before pivoting if necessary to Plan B.

And so, on Tuesday morning the Red Sox upped their bid to $210 million. As McKinnis and Price discussed the offer, they saw a finish line.

“In my talks with David, we were like, ‘What are we waiting on?’ †said McKinnis. “We love Dave Dombrowski. We want to be in the AL East. Let’s go.’â€

The deal could be done, McKinnis said, for $217 million over seven years, the largest guarantee ever for a pitcher, surpassing Kershaw’s seven-year, $215 million deal.

Dombrowski received authorization from the owners to hit the mark. A few minutes before 5 p.m., the Red Sox president of baseball operations looped back to McKinnis and hung up. Deal done. And a new precedent set.

 

[Schenn]

so really only 3 teams made offers then

Exactly. Bowden with another gem.

The article that hockeywiz just posted says the the Dodgers and Giants did in fact make bids. Hmm. Oh well why does it even matter, he is in Boston so what's done is done.

Why are we still talking about him?

 

[habamillions]

Exactly. Bowden with another gem.

The article that hockeywiz just posted says the the Dodgers and Giants did in fact make bids. Hmm. Oh well why does it even matter, he is in Boston so what's done is done.

Why are we still talking about him?

exactly. ive said it numerous times hea gone stop posting these news stories about him. I only care about jays related news and price isnt a bluejay