Blue Jays Discussion: Winter Meetings: Because there's no more fitting time to talk baseball than December
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p.l.f.
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We could trade Revere at the trde dl In a package for a rental starting p.
Travis can lead off by then
We'll need Revere to start the season
Pompey called up the last 2 months is a good fit
Travis can lead off by then
We'll need Revere to start the season
Pompey called up the last 2 months is a good fit
Canada4Gold
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not for a very good one.
We got him from the Phillies the last trade deadline, they paid all his salary, and the best prospect going their way is now rule 5 eligible because they didn't feel like putting him on the 40 to protect him. That should tell you about how much he's worth.
and by the time the next trade deadline comes he'll have 1 less year of control than when we got him.
I'd rather just trade him now for a meh pen arm. Opens up ~6.7 million rather than just 2.2 by the time the deadline gets here.
p.l.f.
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tml19
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In 592 AB's he had 32 walks and 64 K's. Hitting weak ground balls every AB does not make him a good player just cause the ball gets through 3/10ths of the time.
JS19
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Wouldn't make much sense considering we have EE at DH, and Smoakabello at 1B unless one of the two sides is getting traded.
If we do however...
Revere
Donaldson
Bautista
Davis
Encarnacion
Tulowitzki
Pillar
Martin
Goins
LaCarriere
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Not that I believe that hockey reporter for 1 second, but it would be ridiculous at this point to add 15-20M to the payroll on another positional player.
At some point you have to acknowledge the elephant in the room that is the lack of pitching. If they bargain shopped for Chavez, Estrada and Happ and then bump up the payroll to sign Davis instead of asking for the payroll increase earlier and targeting better pitching I'd be pissed. I'm not overly upset with resigning Estrada, and getting Chavez and Happ, but if they had a feeling they were going to ask for a payroll increase it should have been used to target a higher tier of FA pitching.
At some point you have to acknowledge the elephant in the room that is the lack of pitching. If they bargain shopped for Chavez, Estrada and Happ and then bump up the payroll to sign Davis instead of asking for the payroll increase earlier and targeting better pitching I'd be pissed. I'm not overly upset with resigning Estrada, and getting Chavez and Happ, but if they had a feeling they were going to ask for a payroll increase it should have been used to target a higher tier of FA pitching.
tml19
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trellaine201
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Coincidental that the Davis rumour resurfaced when EE made his sign-me-or-else ultimatum. Retaliation? Could the Jays be sending EE the message that he is replaceable with a younger player? Davis makes no sense for the Jays except to replace EE if his departure is in fact imminent.
LaCarriere
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Well his departure is totally up to him. I'm guessing he'd like to play out his year in the hitter friendly AL East parks, pad his stats and sign a big deal, not to mention that the Jays will be a top 3 offensive team, if not number #1 again.
With Stroman back for a full year they have just as good a shot as anyone to win the AL East again, I doubt Edwin gives that up unless the trade is to another contender.
With Stroman back for a full year they have just as good a shot as anyone to win the AL East again, I doubt Edwin gives that up unless the trade is to another contender.
Longshot
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This Chris Davis thing really mystifies me. Is it possible they would look at a back loaded contract for him?
Suppose they dump Revere and give Davis $8 or 9 million in the first year and then bump it up to $15-20 million in the final few years of the deal. It would be similar to what they did with Martin last year.
Just looked it up, he received $12 million last year. I can't see him wanting to take a decrease.
Suppose they dump Revere and give Davis $8 or 9 million in the first year and then bump it up to $15-20 million in the final few years of the deal. It would be similar to what they did with Martin last year.
Just looked it up, he received $12 million last year. I can't see him wanting to take a decrease.
Once the season starts his FA value increases if he's traded because he's no longer tied to the loss of a draft pick.
I like EE as pure hitter much better than Davis or Bautista, but I'm wary of his bad back. If he's thinking of painting the Jays into a corner they could go another route.
I like EE as pure hitter much better than Davis or Bautista, but I'm wary of his bad back. If he's thinking of painting the Jays into a corner they could go another route.
LaCarriere
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If it's backloaded enough I don't think he'd care, especially if it was 4-5 years.
It doesn't even make sense though. You'd have to get Edwin to agree to a trade first, before signing Davis. You can't do another 80M+ deal similar to Martin's and then try to deal Edwin after -- if he blocks any trade or there's no deal to be made then what? You got Edwin / Davis / Smoak / Colabello at 1B/DH. Just doesn't work.
It doesn't even make sense though. You'd have to get Edwin to agree to a trade first, before signing Davis. You can't do another 80M+ deal similar to Martin's and then try to deal Edwin after -- if he blocks any trade or there's no deal to be made then what? You got Edwin / Davis / Smoak / Colabello at 1B/DH. Just doesn't work.
I've been reserving my thoughts trying to fully gauge how I really feel about how the offseason has gone.
First of all, I still think our offense is best in the league provided Tulo bounces back and has a season he's capable of having. That's like inserting a top 10 talent in the game in your lineup. Our offense alone can get us in the playoffs.
Now, the offseason so far has left a sour taste in my mouth because its been... unambitious, especially, considering our division rival has vastly improved and we have our new GM coming out saying our pitching rotation as it is, is good enough to contend.
This team is, at the very least, worst than last year's contending squad considering we've lost our ace, our backup catcher who could at least hit a little bit, and one of our better bullpen arms and all they're thinking about is replenishing our farm system. That stuff is done at the draft and international free agents. I'm beginning to get worried about this front office's conservative behavior.
First of all, I still think our offense is best in the league provided Tulo bounces back and has a season he's capable of having. That's like inserting a top 10 talent in the game in your lineup. Our offense alone can get us in the playoffs.
Now, the offseason so far has left a sour taste in my mouth because its been... unambitious, especially, considering our division rival has vastly improved and we have our new GM coming out saying our pitching rotation as it is, is good enough to contend.
This team is, at the very least, worst than last year's contending squad considering we've lost our ace, our backup catcher who could at least hit a little bit, and one of our better bullpen arms and all they're thinking about is replenishing our farm system. That stuff is done at the draft and international free agents. I'm beginning to get worried about this front office's conservative behavior.
Longshot
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I've been surprised by these kinds of reactions to whatever it is that EE (or his people) said today.
I didn't see it as any kind of broadside against the Jays. I just read it as EE saying he is willing to talk about a contract extension to stay in Toronto, but he would like it wrapped up one way or another by the end of the spring.
I didn't really see it as a big deal. If I'm not mistaken, Jays management said last week they were going to circle back to Bautista and EE on contract extensions once their off season direction was closer to completion. To me, EE's response was: "I'm game, but I don't want it dragging on."
Somehow I don't think any EE said is adding any kind of urgency to how the Jays are conducting business. I doubt it has any affect on them at all.
EE could have told them that privately.
I doubt that Jays management appreciates having that in the press at this particular moment. It isn't helpful to them.
Longshot
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Couldn't they deal Smoak, Revere and Saunders and save about $13 or $14 million?
It would sap them of their depth, but would be feasible, if Davis is at $13 or 14 million in year one with years 2-5 back loaded.
Mitchy
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Who is this player that plays great defence, because it sure as hell isn't Revere.
Longshot
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I don't really see why it's an issue.
It doesn't change anything.
He's still under control for another year. He's still a 10/5 player.
I don't see how him saying he won't negotiate a contract extension once the season starts makes any kind of difference at all.
TF97
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Looks like the reason the Chapman trade is being delayed is that he reportedly was involved in a domestic incident where he allegedly choked his girlfriend and fired gunshots.
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