Blue Jays Discussion: Winter Meetings: Because there's no more fitting time to talk baseball than December

[Longshot]

Trade Encarnacion, sign Crush Davis (+adderall). win/win

What if EE says no to a trade?

 

[Muston Atthews]

Well i wouldn't bet against it ....

Casey Janssen made 3.5 million last year,will make less this year.
He didn't really want to leave Toronto...

Fourth on the Toronto all time saves list.....hmmmm

Some where in the front office,i bet this is a plan B ....

Casey Janssen back at 2 million a year?

Happ is back...

You are making the worst posts I have ever seen in this thread, and that's saying something.

 

[Discoverer]

Well i wouldn't bet against it ....

Casey Janssen made 3.5 million last year,will make less this year.
He didn't really want to leave Toronto...

Fourth on the Toronto all time saves list.....hmmmm

Some where in the front office,i bet this is a plan B ....

Casey Janssen back at 2 million a year?

Happ is back...

Do you think they want Romero back, too? And Brandon League? And Jason Frasor?

They brought back Happ because he had success last year, not because he used to be a Blue Jay.

 

[Muston Atthews]

What if EE says no to a trade?

Would be a dick move on his part. "I won't sign if we don't get this done by Spring Training, but I won't accept a trade."

 

[Habaneros]

You are making the worst posts I have ever seen in this thread, and that's saying something.

Did you think they would have brought Happ back?

This is the same club who brought back Cito Gaston and Gibbons
They brought Jessie Chavez back...Jay Happ back...Liam Hendriks
Why is Casey Janssen coming back a far fetched thing?

It smells like a Jays move..

 

[Longshot]

Would be a dick move on his part. "I won't sign if we don't get this done by Spring Training, but I won't accept a trade."

Terms it however you like, but he is a 10/5 player and can block any trade.

 

[Joey24]

You think it's stupid in here?

A caller on Prime Time just compared David Price to Wayne Gretzky...

why does everything have to compare to hockey players. Can they not compare price to an ex great pitcher. I really really hate cross sport comparison. Like when people were comparing lowry to Gilmour.

I can think of 200 + reasons price wasn't signed by toronto, the fact is he didn't give the jays the kind of post season pitching a legit ace should give. Estrada and stroman were the go to guys in the post season, you don't pay a guy 200 million + to not be your go to guy when you need him most.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Terms it however you like, but he is a 10/5 player and can block any trade.

The approach would be that Jays management could sit down and talk a new contract - if it doesn't fit with the team's plans they could tell EE and his agent that they could deal him to a team that would sign that contract.

EE with an extension could get something good back in a trade.

 

[Pokecheck Prayer]

 

[RayzorIsDull]

why does everything have to compare to hockey players. Can they not compare price to an ex great pitcher. I really really hate cross sport comparison. Like when people were comparing lowry to Gilmour.

I can think of 200 + reasons price wasn't signed by toronto, the fact is he didn't give the jays the kind of post season pitching a legit ace should give. Estrada and stroman were the go to guys in the post season, you don't pay a guy 200 million + to not be your go to guy when you need him most.

So the Dodgers shouldn't be paying Kershaw that type of money?

 

[Ciao]

The only question is does Jose Bautista want to be a DH after this season. I highly doubt it and im not sure I would pay big money for him to play RF. I would take my chances on EE and let him full time DH, ala Ortiz.

No contest if his back holds out. I think he's the better hitter now. If he's able to stay in the line-up.

I think Bautista is more athletic, more versatile in the field, and despite being older might age better than EE.

Eddie carries a bit more weight around the middle, which can't help his back, and I'm doubtful that will ever improve. Bautista is a little skinnier and seems more fit despite his age.

Bautista wants a big contract and a lot of respect. Give him that and I'd be very surprised if he wouldn't DH and let the younger players chase the fly balls.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

The approach would be that Jays management could sit down and talk a new contract - if it doesn't fit with the team's plans they could tell EE and his agent that they could deal him to a team that would sign that contract.

EE with an extension could get something good back in a trade.

The problem is the best match is probably Boston because Ortiz is going to retire but the Sox don't have a spot for Encarnacion right now. So it would be in Edwin's best interest not to accept a trade if he believes in a year he can be in Boston.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Terms it however you like, but he is a 10/5 player and can block any trade.

The approach would be that Jays management could sit down and talk a new contract - if it doesn't fit with the team's plans they could tell EE and his agent that they could deal him to a team that would sign that contract.

EE with an extension could get something good back in a trade.

 

[tml19]

Harold Reynolds would approve of this

But how can we play an American style of game without grass?

 

[TF97]

Did you think they would have brought Happ back?

This is the same club who brought back Cito Gaston and Gibbons
They brought Jessie Chavez back...Jay Happ back...Liam Hendriks
Why is Casey Janssen coming back a far fetched thing?

It smells like a Jays move..

Because Casey Janssen hasn't been a quality MLB pitcher in nearly a near and a half. I'd love him back on a MLC but anything more than that is just plain stupid.

 

[Discoverer]

Man, it sure seems like teams are going overboard in trying to out-bullpen each other. The Kimbrel trade, the Soria, Madson and Lowe contracts... yikes.

 

[Habaneros]

Because Casey Janssen hasn't been a quality MLB pitcher in nearly a near and a half. I'd love him back on a MLC but anything more than that is just plain stupid.

Explain how a 7 win 15 loss Chavez returned to the Jays?

Trust me , Janssen coming back on a cheap 1 year deal,isn't crazy from this management.
No more(plain stupid) than a nine game hot streak against NL batters made Happ into something really desirable for the Jays.
Like how R.A Dickey was really good (CY Young)against NL batters...eh?

 

[TF97]

Explain how a 7 win 15 loss Chavez returned to the Jays?

Trust me , Janssen coming back on a cheap 1 year deal,isn't a ******** idea .No more(plain stupid) than a nine game hot streak against NL batters made Happ into something really desirable for the Jays.

May I ask why you're using a pitchers win-loss record to determine how successful they were?

 

[tml19]

Explain how a 7 win 15 loss Chavez returned to the Jays?

Trust me , Janssen coming back on a cheap 1 year deal,isn't crazy from this management.
No more(plain stupid) than a nine game hot streak against NL batters made Happ into something really desirable for the Jays.
Like how R.A Dickey was really good (CY Young)against NL batters...eh?

Sigh........

a) He throws a baseball left handed
b) Signing him does not require a compensation pick to be given up. Something we can't afford to do as we need to start to replenish our farm
c) If he regresses as EXPECTED he is still at market value. If he doesn't we have a fantastic contract to work around

Also what is wrong with having Janssen come back on a cheap 1 year deal? There is no risk there.

 

[Swervin81]

Hey, guys, I just came home. Just entering this thread to hopefully read some thoughtful, intellectual discussion on here on the last few pag --

 

[LaCarriere]

May I ask why you're using a pitchers win-loss record to determine how successful they were?

no idea, he has no idea what he's talking about.

Jays scored 197 more runs last year than the A's, that's more than 1 run a game better. Chavez's record with the A's is completely irrelevant. He's going to get run support as a Jay.

If Hutch can put up 13 wins with a 5.57 ERA that it's certainly possible for Chavez to equal that or do better with a FIP/ERA in the high 3s / low 4s.

 

[trellaine201]

Let's just start the rebuild this week. We all know where Shapiro is headed. Rebuild.

 

[Canada4Gold]

You think it's stupid in here?

A caller on Prime Time just compared David Price to Wayne Gretzky...

that sounds pretty stupid.

While we're on the topic of stupid Bob just replied to a guy talking about the pen using Cecil as an example as a guy who came out of nowhere this past year.

I mean Osuna sure(and he used Osuna as well) but Cecil was supposed to be good.

Went something like "Pen guys come out of nowhere all the time, Sanchez was a starter, Osuna wasn't expecting to compete for a spot and ended up the closer, and then there was that lefty, what's his name, I hate getting old, (someone I assume says Loup in his ear), no not Loup, we knew how good he was, (someone I assume says Cecil in his ear), Cecil, yeah him, look how bad he was, couldn't hit the strike zone at all, and then he pitches as well as he did, something something failed starter"

Yeah that 2.34 Cecil FIP in 2014 was so much worse than that... 2.34 Cecil 2015 FIP. Failed starter? are you stuck back in 2012 Bob? Cecil has been a reliver for a while now and was pretty much expected to be really good this year.

 

[Canada4Gold]

May I ask why you're using a pitchers win-loss record to determine how successful they were?

we lost a 13 win Hutch as if he's going somewhere because he didn't like what happened last year, and now will only get 7 wins from Chavez because that's all he had last year. That 6 fewer wins we're going to have this year. I'm not sure how you can't follow this very sound logic

 

[JS19]

we lost a 13 win Hutch as if he's going somewhere because he didn't like what happened last year, and now will only get 7 wins from Chavez because that's all he had last year. That 6 fewer wins we're going to have this year. I'm not sure how you can't follow this very sound logic