Winnipeg Sun: Jets, Mark Chipman, call for help as attendance decreases

[edog37]

I'm sure Sportsnet and TSN had more to do with those teams staying than Gary Bettman's generosity - if Sportsnet is going to spend BILLIONS with the NHL, it's not to televise Vegas / Kings games.

Don't do us any "favours". Keep the CDN money in Canada and let the chips fall where they may.

No they didn’t. Bettman was the architect behind the Canadian economic hockey rescue plan.

Or keep ALL the CDN money in Canada - Rogers, TSN, merch, gate etc. Split it among the 7 CDN teams. The 25 U.S. franchises are welcome to the ESPN money - like I said, earlier, that should be about $1.87 per team. Let's do THAT and we'll NEVER have a financial issue in Canada, again.

Poor deflection & that’s not how any league operates.

 

[ORRFForever]

No they didn’t. Bettman was the architect behind the Canadian economic hockey rescue plan.


Poor deflection & that’s not how any league operates.

CDN TV money pulled strings - and lots of them. If anyone believes otherwise, they are naïve... or not too bright... or both.

And it's a terrific argument on my part. That's why you don't have an answer. Again, keep the CDN money in Canada if you're gonna whine about Winnipeg needing help. Then no one has any excuses.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

CDN TV money pulled strings - and lots of them. If anyone believes otherwise, they are naïve... or not too bright... or both.

And it's a terrific argument on my part. That's why you don't have an answer. Again, keep the CDN money in Canada if you're gonna whine about Winnipeg needing help. Then no one has any excuses.

Who says WInnipeg needs help?

 

[ORRFForever]

Who says WInnipeg needs help?

That's fair. They have not asked for help.

Unfortunately, many posters seem to feel the Jets are on death's door. Or, more accurately, they hope the Jets are on death's door.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

That's fair. They have not asked for help.

Unfortunately, many posters seem to feel they are death's door. Or, perhaps, they hope they're on death's door.

Without population growth it might be an issue if Thomson dies or sells the team, but we are long way from that.

 

[ORRFForever]

Without population growth it might be an issue if Thomson dies or sells the team, but we are long way from that.

I'm sure it's fine - the team is just trying to scare the fans into buying tickets. Of course, the media and HF make things worse than they actually are.

 

[tarheelhockey]

No, that is not my point. PLEASE go back and read post #479 as I have asked you to do several times. It does NOT mention teams. It does NOT mention hockey.

You’re right. It doesn’t mention teams. It doesn’t mention hockey. It doesn’t mention anything to do with the topics in this forum.

It was just you throwing a nationalist bomb into the discussion with a nasty political tone, which you went on to repeat in subsequent posts.

Instead of defending it, a better approach would have been to apologize for it.

This is really spoiling what should be a pleasant past-time.

What is pleasant about the “past-time” of diverting a hockey discussion into a political flame war?

Maybe it’s past-time for you to stop posting in this thread if you weren’t here to talk about hockey.

 

[edog37]

CDN TV money pulled strings - and lots of them. If anyone believes otherwise, they are naïve... or not too bright... or both.

And it's a terrific argument on my part. That's why you don't have an answer. Again, keep the CDN money in Canada if you're gonna whine about Winnipeg needing help. Then no one has any excuses.

You think I center my life around your ridiculous takes? I don’t know where you get your delusions from, but you’re plain wrong. Bettman drove that plan, it’s well documented. The fact Canadian markets needed this plan in the first place tells anyone with a reasonable mind they could’t function on their own. And moving forward, couldn’t do it either.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Or keep ALL the CDN money in Canada - Rogers, TSN, merch, gate etc. Split it among the 7 CDN teams. The 25 U.S. franchises are welcome to the ESPN money - like I said, earlier, that should be about $1.87 per team. Let's do THAT and we'll NEVER have a financial issue in Canada, again.

The Rogers deal is with the NHL and gives them rights to broadcast any game they want including games with only US teams. It would in fact be pretty difficult for Rogers to show many games if they could only broadcast games involving just Canadian teams. But then again I'm sure you'd be okay with expansion revenue being only shared among US teams if the expansion teams are only in the US.

 

[GKJ]

People aren’t going to prioritize spending the money owners want/need people to spend on a sub-standard product, especially as options increase. While every market is different, this is not exclusive to Winnipeg, or Canada, or hockey.

 

[ORRFForever]

The Rogers deal is with the NHL and gives them rights to broadcast any game they want including games with only US teams. It would in fact be pretty difficult for Rogers to show many games if they could only broadcast games involving just Canadian teams. But then again I'm sure you'd be okay with expansion revenue being only shared among US teams if the expansion teams are only in the US.

Rogers can show as many U.S. games as they want but it's the Canadian games that bring in the viewers / money - 2 U.S. teams don't draw flies.

As for expansion : Sure. As long as the NHL puts another team in Canada and the Canadian 7 share that expansion money. Keep the Rogers money at home and they'll be LOTS of demand for an 8th team.

Besides, take away the CDN TV money from the U.S. franchises and there won't be expansion because most of the southern teams will be looking / begging for new homes. It's hard to charge an expansion fee when you have a bunch of southern franchises willing to move to a new home for free.

So, yes, we agree, keep the CDN money at home and let the chips (franchises) fall where they may.

You think I center my life around your ridiculous takes?

Based on your responses... yes! Yes, I do.

 

[ORRFForever]

My last word because it's time to move on - we're going in circles.

It's Canadian TV money that's keeping many of the U.S. southern franchises alive so please don't whine when Canadian teams need a helping hand.

If you're from Atlanta or Phoenix and you want to take shots / find pleasure in Winnipeg struggling, that's fair and understandable.

 

[MNNumbers]

As long as there is some discussion about Canada vs US, then try this as a thought experiment:

Let's say that the 7 Canadian teams decide to secede from the NHL and form a new league, and then offer Quebec the 8th franchise in such an enterprise. 8 teams is enough to form a decent league. These 8 teams would be able to market themselves to a North American media contract.

Now, these are the questions:
1) Would the Rogers contract be the same?
2) Assuming that the contract $ would be the same, would the prospective players choose to play in Canada in enough numbers to sustain the league?

Would the New Canada Hockey League have enough respect that the Stanley Cup would go to a final playoff winner?

I don't know the answers to the questions. But they are interesting to think about.

 

[Stumbledore]

Maybe it’s past-time for you to stop posting in this thread if you weren’t here to talk about hockey.

It's so amusing being told off about not talking hockey in a post which has nothing to do with hockey.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

For years, the business forum (and others) has mostly been "move Atlanta, Phoenix, Carolina, Florida, Nashville, etc..." threads. Certainly an immature view (I realize that shot was aimed at me), but there is a lot of pent-up frustration from southern market fans. I do see where you joined this site just 3 years ago... this back-and-forth has gone on since I joined 15 years ago.

Sorry for the late response, but I date from the summer of 2005. I remember posters like gamera (who I connected with on social media back when I used that sort of thing) and btn.

I do understand your frustration. I am legitimately sorry you lost your team, because you guys never had a chance and it wasn't your fault.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

It's Canadian TV money that's keeping many of the U.S. southern franchises alive so please don't whine when Canadian teams need a helping hand.

Who is whining? If anything its the other way around.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's so amusing being told off about not talking hockey in a post which has nothing to do with hockey.

That’s not the “gotcha” you seem to think it is.

 

[Stumbledore]

That’s not the “gotcha” you seem to think it is.

I don't think it's a gotcha at all. If you READ what I actually wrote, you'll see I said it was amusing.

And after lecturing about posts not mentioning hockey, how many posts are you going to make that do not mention hockey? (Asking for a friend.)

 

[Anisimovs AK]

This isn't only news outlets and stupid broadcasters we're talking about. It's also general hockey fans and many who regularly post here that have been calling for all the southern markets to relocate to various Canadian markets. Southern market fans have been debating keeping the teams in place for years and now, it appears we're seeing that very few markets are immune to dips in attendance. You may be 78, but I was speaking to your join-date of 2018. This goes back a long ways.

Not sure how a response of "Americans are especially gullible" applies here.

I've been on this board since 2006. Acting like there never was a large (at first) and vocal group of posters continuously calling for southern hockey teams to be moved is just a straight up lie.

They even did it with Columbus too. Like regularly included us in with Sun Belt teams.

 

[edog37]

My last word because it's time to move on - we're going in circles.

It's Canadian TV money that's keeping many of the U.S. southern franchises alive so please don't whine when Canadian teams need a helping hand.

If you're from Atlanta or Phoenix and you want to take shots / find pleasure in Winnipeg struggling, that's fair and understandable.

Canadian TV money is $200 million more than US, but of the top 10 revenue producers, 7 are US teams. Without the US, the NHL doesn’t exist. And given the ridiculous standard Canadian fans established, there is no fundamental excuse for any Canadian to struggle. Ergo Winnipeg & Ottawa have no excuse. Quit your whining & buy a ticket.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Atlanta will gladly take them back.... Gas South Arena not much smaller than the shack the Jets play in

 

[BMN]

Without the US, the NHL doesn’t exist.

I get what you mean overall here but this is hyperbolic as a straight up sentence. If the CFL exists and has existed for 65 years, the NHL could easily exist solely in Canada. It'd look very very different and hockey players would be far less wealthy men. But it'd exist.

 

[Gnashville]

I get what you mean overall here but this is hyperbolic as a straight up sentence. If the CFL exists and has existed for 65 years, the NHL could easily exist solely in Canada. It'd look very very different and hockey players would be far less wealthy men. But it'd exist.

The best CFL team would get smoked by the worst NFL team though. Basically you want a substandard league out of Nationalist Pride?

 

[Gnashville]

Rogers can show as many U.S. games as they want but it's the Canadian games that bring in the viewers / money - 2 U.S. teams don't draw flies.

As for expansion : Sure. As long as the NHL puts another team in Canada and the Canadian 7 share that expansion money. Keep the Rogers money at home and they'll be LOTS of demand for an 8th team.

Besides, take away the CDN TV money from the U.S. franchises and there won't be expansion because most of the southern teams will be looking / begging for new homes. It's hard to charge an expansion fee when you have a bunch of southern franchises willing to move to a new home for free.

So, yes, we agree, keep the CDN money at home and let the chips (franchises) fall where they may.


Based on your responses... yes! Yes, I do.

Dude you have a great comedy act. You do realize that most of the Rodgers deal actually give more to the 7 Canadian teams than the American teams. Leafs get like $25 million a year my team Nashville gets like 7. You really think that 7 million is the difference between The Predators looking to move? If anything it hurts them as it drives up teams revenue and the salary cap.

As I have said all along there are 3 types of owners/teams
#1 completely business and bottom line driven
#2 don’t care if they lose money it’s a fun side hustle and fantasy hockey for billionaires
#3 don’t care either way want the public love that comes with owning a team but don’t want to lose too much (both on the ice or financially)
Canadian ownership is primarily #1 and it skews public perception towards ownership in the US as everyone thinks all owners are in it for huge profits.

 

[edog37]

I get what you mean overall here but this is hyperbolic as a straight up sentence. If the CFL exists and has existed for 65 years, the NHL could easily exist solely in Canada. It'd look very very different and hockey players would be far less wealthy men. But it'd exist.

That is fundamentally false. The NHL has always looked towards the US to be economically relevant. It couldn’t exist as a viable league without the US teams.