It's definitely going to fuel a lot of discussion around here if he does well/bad regardless.
Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) Part II (Mod warning in OP)
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It's definitely going to fuel a lot of discussion around here if he does well/bad regardless.
A little unfair for the kid, though even doing exceptionally well will only move the needle slightly.
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He doubled his point total from the previous season in half the games. Stanley stated that everything was slowing down for him, game was coming easy to him, prior to his injury.
He was on pace for 35 points, but if you factor in his slow start this past season, how strong he came on prior to the injury, who knows how many points he may of had, had he remained healthy.
Take away the title of :first round pick that we traded up for, and most would probably see his development as moving in a positive direction.
He was on pace for 35 points, but if you factor in his slow start this past season, how strong he came on prior to the injury, who knows how many points he may of had, had he remained healthy.
Take away the title of :first round pick that we traded up for, and most would probably see his development as moving in a positive direction.
His development moved in a positive direction, what's being lost is if it hadn't, he'd be an even worse value pick.
I don't know the 5v5 stuff, but I do know on a macro level, his increased production was only enough for him to tread water since you expect players to increase scoring as they get older.
Essentially he didn't make up any ground, and unfortunately there's still a lot of ground to make up.
Im rooting for him, guys that big are always interesting to watch, but I keep my expectations in check to where the numbers are,which at this juncture is unfortunately low.
I don't know the 5v5 stuff, but I do know on a macro level, his increased production was only enough for him to tread water since you expect players to increase scoring as they get older.
Essentially he didn't make up any ground, and unfortunately there's still a lot of ground to make up.
Im rooting for him, guys that big are always interesting to watch, but I keep my expectations in check to where the numbers are,which at this juncture is unfortunately low.
Someone correct me if I am wrong? Didn't Tyler Myers get 42 pts in his draft year +1? Logan was on pace for 35? I'm gonna be honest other then world juniors I had never seen Myers play a junior game and I have seen Logan play one....so I am not sure other than height and one going 12th and the other 17th in the draft how similar they were at the draft +1 year as far a development goes?
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His 5v5 production was the same as Juolevi. His overall shot production was higher than Juolevi. He anchors the PK, not the PP.
I understand the skepticism, but if we are looking purely at the numbers he looks not bad compared to other D and better than some notables, like Hajek, Johansen and Dineen, strictly based on d+1 point production and shot rates.
That might have been because the Wings were looking at Stanley, and the Yotes' #20 pick was higher than the Jets', so they could still nab Stanley. The Jets traded up to pick ahead of a specific team. I think it was the Wings at #20.
Where's the source? This would be news to Wings fans. The only thing you've got is Nashville #17, Philly #19, NYI #20, and Carolina #21 sure as hell weren't going to take him.
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Pronman reported that he heard chatter (presumably in scouting circles) that the Red Wings liked Stanley. It surprised Pronman because of Stanley's lack of offensive potential.
http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/20...s-keiffer-bellows-logan-stanley-plus-one-last
Well, if Detroit was high on Stanley they should've swapped picks with us because they would've had him at #22. Or maybe I'm giving Chevy/Hillier too much credit....
There were a tonne of rumours circulating that both the Jets and Wings were high on Stanley.
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That's true but it is a matter of degree. Stanley was a much bigger gamble than other players who could have been taken.
im a wings and jets fan, maybe ive been trying to convince myself that the wings were not 100% down on stanley, but this hardly seems convincing. Id assume theres chatter among every team regarding every prospect
edit: he also doesnt really fit the trend of the type of dman that detroit has been drafting in recent years, theyve been going more skill/puck movers/play drivers over size
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To be honest, this forum presents it that way, but from the pre draft scouting reports I read, the mocks I saw, not everyone saw him as a 1st round gamble type player. There was not the sounds of paper shuffling when we called his name at 17, like there was when we called Scheifs name.
I honestly believe he is capable of a 3rd pairing and should easily fall into that role in 2 to 3 seasons, with the potential of second pairing as his career progresses.
If he can put it all together, no reason he couldn't reach top pairing in the midst of his career.
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Its all about the likelihood of that happening. You could say exactly the same thing about Dmitriy Zaitsev.
Being a first round pick he will be given every opportunity. I don't think of it in terms of 1st, 2nd, 3rd pairing. I will be happy if he ever becomes a useful NHL player. So 3rd pair will do nicely as long as he is a good 3rd pair player and not a liability on the ice.
I tend to agree with this. When you are looking at a pick in that range, you are hoping for a regular NHLer. Occasionally, you get very lucky and nab a star, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Yup. However, based on McKenzie and most of the public scouting services, he was much more often ranked a 1st rounder than a "do not draft" type of player.
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What Pronman had to say last year
55. Logan Stanley, D, Windsor (OHL)
DOB: 5/26/98 | Ht: 6-7 | Wt: 225
GP: 46 | G: 17 | A: 16
The massive blueliner has been a lightning rod in the prospect community for a number of years, with a wide variance of opinions. I've heard scouts who wouldn't use a pick in the first two rounds on him, and others who consider him a top-10 talent. He stands 6-7 and is a pretty impressive skater and puck mover for such a big man. He's not particularly dynamic in either area, but he shows a quality athletic toolkit. Stanley leans on opponents with his large frame to win battles and gets in shooting lanes pretty well, and disrupts play with his long reach. Stanley's hockey IQ isn't sublime; while he's not a liability there, he doesn't display top-end puck-moving instincts to make him a real power-play threat. There's some offensive upside, but it's pretty evident how his bread will be buttered.
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I think most of those that hated the pick still don't necessarily hate the player, just where he was taken. In the 4th round I would have liked him. Of course we all know he would not have been available in the 4th round.
From the other side of the coin I don't get a sense that there are many who love the pick. They accept it as reasonable based on some combination of faith in Chevy's drafting and confirmation from those 'experts' who saw him as a first round pick.
When we discuss Logan Stanley, I think we find a middle ground. When we discuss the wisdom of picking him where we did (and the price we paid to do so) is where we diverge.
Pretty much this.
Did not like the pick when / how it happened.
That being said, I don't mind that we have Stanley as a prospect, and obviously hope he turns out.
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Isn't this pretty much just stating the obvious? Of course they were trying for a home run. What else could they have been doing? They certainly were not trying for a strike out. The problem is that they swung for the fences on a high outside pitch.
If they were really that unimpressed with the remaining defensemen then they should have taken BPA. German Rubtsov, Henrik Borgstrom, Tage Thompson, Sam Steele were all available at 22 and good prospects.
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