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I think they were trying to hit a home run with Stanley. They had the safe pick in with Laine and they felt that it worth the risk in this draft to trade up to get Stanley and hit a home run. Time will tell if they were right or not
 
Joe Hallenback said:
I think they were trying to hit a home run with Stanley. They had the safe pick in with Laine and they felt that it worth the risk in this draft to trade up to get Stanley and hit a home run. Time will tell if they were right or not
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How do you hit a homerun on a low ceiling player?
 
Evil Little said:
Everyone misses--humans and machines. If you'll recall, old PCS had Yakupov at 1.

I'm guessing it also had Scheifele behind Couturier and Lindholm behind Forsberg.

Anyhow, other than the immediate masochistic chuckle I had over the pick and what it meant for HF Jets discourse, my only thoughts on Stanley have been faint hope and genuine curiosity as to why they feel he's an outlier.
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This absolutely nails it. After the pick even suggesting we wait and see how he develops before judging was a very unpopular stance. At that point I went from somewhat indifferent about the pick to being in the kid's corner big time. Great hockey name to boot.
 
Joe Hallenback said:
I think they were trying to hit a home run with Stanley. They had the safe pick in with Laine and they felt that it worth the risk in this draft to trade up to get Stanley and hit a home run. Time will tell if they were right or not
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I think this is a pretty good assessment, also likely the organization wasn't very high high on any of the other remaining defenseman and saw moving up as the last chance to grab a d-man they had on their board in that range.
 
MrBoJangelz71 said:
Yup, find that those that watch him regularly have positve views of him, while the analytical crowd has negative views.

Analytically you will take his first couple of seasons and an injured third season in the O and come to a negative conclusion. Watching him, his spike in play during his second season, his growth offensivly in play, carrying the puck more, getting PP time, and see a strong trend upward for the last year and a half, and conclude that he is trending in the right direction.

Factor in his size and the fact taller D men have historically taken longer to develop, I have high hopes for Stanely being a second pairing Dman that could play a physical intimidating game for us.

If Morrissey is our Enstrom replacement, my hope is Stanley is our Buff replacement in 3 to 5 years.
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If the "analytical crowd" didn't like Stanley's d+1 season, they must have disliked Johansen's, and absolutely hated Hajek's and Dineen's.

To reiterate, he compared quite well with a number of well-regarded D in even-strength points/game (which is much more predictive of NHL success than power play points), and his shots-on-goal stats are actually quite impressive, which is usually taken as a positive (but somehow not for Stanley).

I think there is a lot of residual disdain for Stanley because of draft season and the fairly simplistic notion that the Jets' scouts lost their mind because he was tall (or turned their draft war room over to their equipment manager).
 
AWSAA said:
How do you hit a homerun on a low ceiling player?
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Because they believe he will play in the NHL like a lot of low ceiling players that were late in developing because of size. They are gambling that he will be a Chara/Weber/Myers type of player. I understand that it is less likely he is that type of player then others in the draft but they felt it was worth the gamble
 
I think Stanley will hit the ceiling! I mean literally, the man is huge! I still like the guy, I think he will end up being just fine. I see more good than bad. Can't wait to watch him back in action this weekend.
 
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There is lots of low ceiling guys that go in the 1st round.
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How many teams trade up for one though? The Stanley pick hurts even more knowing Chychrun was there for the taking.

All they had to do was clear a bit of salary in a follow-up trade. Less than a year later it'd cost you Ehlers or Trouba. What's Stanley worth today?
 
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How many teams trade up for one though? The Stanley pick hurts even more knowing Chychrun was there for the taking.

All we had to do was clear a bit of salary in a follow up move to get him then. Less than a year later it'd cost you Ehlers or Trouba.
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The Yotes paid a high price to go get Chychrun...

Result:

Chychrun for Cholowski and Hronek (and $7.5m cap space).

Stanley and Green for Rubtsov and Laberge.
 
Whileee said:
The Yotes paid a high price to go get Chychrun...

Result:

Chychrun for Cholowski and Hronek (and $7.5m cap space).

Stanley and Green for Rubtsov and Laberge.
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7.5m in capspace they weren't going to spend. Same as the Jets who let it go to waste instead.
 
AWSAA said:
7.5m in capspace they weren't going to use. Same as the Jets who let it go to waste instead.
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The Red Wings moved down to #20, which was still above the Jets. The Jets would have had to add more to get the Wings to move down an extra couple of spots.

At the time that the trade was made, the Jets still had some contracts to negotiate and they were potentially facing an offer sheet for Trouba. If they had an additional $7.5m in cap space tied up, they would have been vulnerable to offer sheets on Trouba and Lowry.
 
ffh said:
Except for scheifele and trouba possible offersheets you got it
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Agreed, and at the time we didn't know Trouba had asked to be traded. Now Chevy also needed to have the cap space to afford to take on his asking price in a trade. No GM wants to handcuff themselves with such valuable assets in play.
 
^

I guess wasting $10+ mill on Pavelec, Stuart, and Stafford doesn't count.
 
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I guess wasting $10+ mill on Pavelec, Stuart, and Stafford doesn't count.
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Not really relevant to decisions around a trade up for Chychrun at that point. The only team that could make the move was the Yotes, because they had a scorched Earth strategy on their salaries due to a messed up business model.
 
guy must be even huger now as a year since his draft. working on his upper bod for the last few months. hope he makes people nervous going into the corners.

this tournament should be a blast with all the stanley (the pick not the guy) love/hate. we may need a healing session after the tournament to heal the jets board divide.

i will be watching from a beach next week. mid-20's in Vancouver.
 
Not really expecting much from Stanley in a short, intense tournament after such a long layoff. Next year should tell us a lot more about his development trajectory.
 
Whileee said:
Not really relevant to decisions around a trade up for Chychrun at that point. The only team that could make the move was the Yotes, because they had a scorched Earth strategy on their salaries due to a messed up business model.
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The rumour was that the Yotes were the only team called as well. As in no other GM's were made aware that Detroit was willing to trade their pick for a team to take Datsyuk's contract. Some would say they were trying to help the Yotes out.
 
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