Prospect Info: Winnipeg Jets Prospects 2017-18

[antiqueslivers]

hahaha Berdin is the best! Can't wait for the guy to get his shot! going to be fun!

 

[truck]

More Berdin

This is the best thing.

 

[Aavco Cup]

1+1 for Sniper McKenzie including GWG in a 3-1 win. 16 goals 29 points in 19 games.

Portland play the Giants in Langley in a couple weeks. It looks like I'll be able to attend after all.

 

[Channelcat]

I'm guessing there is a Berdin walk GIF? That is the goat!!

 

[Aavco Cup]

I'm guessing there is a Berdin walk GIF? That is the goat!!

@Inflict posted this in the PGT

 

[KingBogo]

17 points in 20 games... #5 among OHL D in even-strength points/game.

I was just looking up how Stanley was doing points wise this season. So far this season he has 17 points in 20 games for a .85 PPG%, last season he had 17 points in 35 games for a .49 PPG%, and the season before he had 17 points in 64 games for a .27 PPG%. Very nice jumps in each season. If anyone has 1st hand scouting reports I'd love to hear them.

 

[37 others]

With Hellebuyck being young and playing well, what does the future look like for Berdin and Comrie?

 

[Daximus]

With Hellebuyck being young and playing well, what does the future look like for Berdin and Comrie?

Comrie could come in as a backup when Mason's contract is out. Berdin is many years away.

 

[Daximus]

I was just looking up how Stanley was doing points wise this season. So far this season he has 17 points in 20 games for a .85 PPG%, last season he had 17 points in 35 games for a .49 PPG%, and the season before he had 17 points in 64 games for a .27 PPG%. Very nice jumps in each season. If anyone has 1st hand scouting reports I'd love to hear them.

He's progressing right with the middle of the pack of the draft now. Clague, Fox, Dineen and Mahura are the only 2016 D not in the NHL at or over PPG right now. Fabbro isn't making very big strides. Juolevi seems to have bounced back in Liiga. Cholowsi is doing really good in the WHL. Johansen scoring at a 50 point pace in the AHL. Hajek on a 62 point pace in the WHL. Krys playing really well in the NCAA.

Stanley has redeemed himself to middle of the pack this year. He's basically at the minimum you should expect a Dman to be scoring in their D+2 season in a Junior league.

 

[Aggie204]

With Hellebuyck being young and playing well, what does the future look like for Berdin and Comrie?

Gives the Jets an awesome goalie corps. One of Conroe/Berdin has to be average right???

 

[Whileee]

He's progressing right with the middle of the pack of the draft now. Clague, Fox, Dineen and Mahura are the only 2016 D not in the NHL at or over PPG right now. Fabbro isn't making very big strides. Juolevi seems to have bounced back in Liiga. Cholowsi is doing really good in the WHL. Johansen scoring at a 50 point pace in the AHL. Hajek on a 62 point pace in the WHL. Krys playing really well in the NCAA.

Stanley has redeemed himself to middle of the pack this year. He's basically at the minimum you should expect a Dman to be scoring in their D+2 season in a Junior league.

Even-strength points/game:

Clague (WHL): 1.00
Stanley (OHL): 0.65
Hajek (WHL): 0.57
Cholowski (WHL): 0.45
Mahura (WHL): 044
Dineen (OHL): 0.43

 

[Daximus]

Even-strength points/game:

Clague (WHL): 1.00
Stanley (OHL): 0.65
Hajek (WHL): 0.57
Cholowski (WHL): 0.45
Mahura (WHL): 044
Dineen (OHL): 0.43

I'm not sure that makes a mountain of a difference really. Especially when you consider Stanley plays the point on PP1. Should we be worried about the other defencemen's lack of 5v5 or Stanley's lack of PP? Then if you really want to get nitpicky half of Stanley's production comes from secondary assists. We can try to paint a lot of pictures. But I think we should just be happy he is where he is. Because trying to compare him to some of these guys isn't the most favourable.

 

[Whileee]

I'm not sure that makes a mountain of a difference really. Especially when you consider Stanley plays the point on PP1. Should we be worried about the other defencemen's lack of 5v5 or Stanley's lack of PP?

Even-strength production has been shown to be more predictive of NHL success. I'm suspicious of junior D-men that get a large proportion of their points on the PP. Some PPs are designed to feed the points, and others are more forward-focused. Stanley leads Kitchener D with 4 PP points. Guelph has 2 D with 10+ points (including Merkley). North Bay have two D with 8+ points (including Dineen).

 

[Daximus]

Even-strength production has been shown to be more predictive of NHL success. I'm suspicious of junior D-men that get a large proportion of their points on the PP. Some PPs are designed to feed the points, and others are more forward-focused. Stanley leads Kitchener D with 4 PP points. Guelph has 2 D with 10+ points (including Merkley). North Bay have two D with 8+ points (including Dineen).

Vast majority of Doughty's production came on the PP in his Draft -1 and draft year. Same as Pietrangelo's. Same as Ekblad, Chychrun.. hell the truth is look up pretty much any highly touted defencemen and I bet the majority of their offence comes on the PP. There are a few exception like Seth Jones but even then it was around 40% of his production. If you score as a defencemen you project well. Regardless of whether that is PP or ES production.

 

[Whileee]

Vast majority of Doughty's production came on the PP in his Draft -1 and draft year. Same as Pietrangelo's. Same as Ekblad, Chychrun.. hell the truth is look up pretty much any highly touted defencemen and I bet the majority of their offence comes on the PP. There are a few exception like Seth Jones but even then it was around 40% of his production. If you score as a defencemen you project well. Regardless of whether that is PP or ES production.

I'm getting a bit confused. We kept on hearing that a player like Rasmussen was suspect because he scored a lot of his points on the PP, but we don't apply the same filter to D prospects, even though some of the research suggests that PP points are less predictive for D than F prospects?

 

[Daximus]

I'm getting a bit confused. We kept on hearing that a player like Rasmussen was suspect because he scored a lot of his points on the PP, but we don't apply the same filter to D prospects, even though some of the research suggests that PP points are less predictive for D than F prospects?

It's a bit different for forwards. Forwards are expected to score at even strength. But hey if you want to think of Stanley as the 2nd best D prospect from the 2016 draft playing in junior based on ES production all the power to you. I'm just highliting the fact that a large percentage of very good defencemen in the NHL have scored the majority of their points on the PP in Junior. So I guess they didn't project very well?

 

[Whileee]

It's a bit different for forwards. Forwards are expected to score at even strength. But hey if you want to think of Stanley as the 2nd best D prospect from the 2016 draft playing in junior based on ES production all the power to you. I'm just highliting the fact that a large percentage of very good defencemen in the NHL have scored the majority of their points on the PP in Junior. So I guess they didn't project very well?

I never said Stanley was the second best. I think he's far from it. In fact, if anything I think that Stanley is a good reason to be more circumspect about being too focused on point production for evaluating prospects (Dineen is another). I personally don't think Stanley is as promising as his point production looks at this point. Mostly, I'm just kinda goofing around with Stanley because of how excessive the emotions have been around his selection.

 

[Daximus]

I never said Stanley was the second best. I think he's far from it. In fact, if anything I think that Stanley is a good reason to be more circumspect about being too focused on point production for evaluating prospects (Dineen is another). I personally don't think Stanley is as promising as his point production looks at this point. Mostly, I'm just kinda goofing around with Stanley because of how excessive the emotions have been around his selection.

I think his production is at least indicative of him taking a step forward. Him going to Kitchener has helped a lot more in this regard. He is getting a lot more offensive zone and PP time. A lot of his points are coming off of secondary assists which is fine but he is still putrid defensively. He's just being used in a role that is more favourable to his skillset now. He is just not good in his own zone but he displays some ability to make some decent breakout passes when he can get the puck and his offensive zone play is really where his skillset lies. He's pretty good at moving the puck around in the OZ and he has a good point shot that he can get through to the net which can and is creating a lot of chances for his forwards. A lot of his production is coming from taking shots and letting his forwards capitalize on the chaos that ensues in front of the net. Mascherin is a smaller guy but he is strong in front of the net and can capitalize a lot on the rebounds and havoc Stanley's shot creates. Our biggest mistake IMO will be trying to mold Stanley into a shutdown type. He just doesn't have the skillset for it.

 

[Whileee]

I think his production is at least indicative of him taking a step forward. Him going to Kitchener has helped a lot more in this regard. He is getting a lot more offensive zone and PP time. A lot of his points are coming off of secondary assists which is fine but he is still putrid defensively. He's just being used in a role that is more favourable to his skillset now. He is just not good in his own zone but he displays some ability to make some decent breakout passes when he can get the puck and his offensive zone play is really where his skillset lies. He's pretty good at moving the puck around in the OZ and he has a good point shot that he can get through to the net which can and is creating a lot of chances for his forwards. A lot of his production is coming from taking shots and letting his forwards capitalize on the chaos that ensues in front of the net. Mascherin is a smaller guy but he is strong in front of the net and can capitalize a lot on the rebounds and havoc Stanley's shot creates. Our biggest mistake IMO will be trying to mold Stanley into a shutdown type. He just doesn't have the skillset for it.

Don't disagree with much of this...

 

[nobody important]

More Berdin

Yet Yakupov got vilified for this...

Different rules for different fools, I guess.

 

[fmrdh]

Mason Appleton now has 17points in 18GP so far in the AHL. I've never seen him play but based on the stats, it looks like he could have some NHL potential.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Mason Appleton now has 17points in 18GP so far in the AHL. I've never seen him play but based on the stats, it looks like he could have some NHL potential.

AHL rookie of the year?

 

[YWGinYYZ]

AHL rookie of the year?

Wouldn't that be interesting - he's only a point off the pace right now. Thought he might have some potential after being named Captain of his NCAA team, but the numbers he's putting up in the A this year give me even more hope.

 

[KingBogo]

Yet Yakupov got vilified for this...

Different rules for different fools, I guess.

I think a goalie scoring is a whole different thing. If a position player did the same celebration as Berdin did going up 7-4 no one looks favorably on it. But with a goalie it is a once in a lifetime event, and pretty damn funny to see the fist pumps along the bench.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

More Berdin

One of the best celebrated goals of all time, CLASSIC!