Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense

garret9

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Remember when the Jets' pro scouts had no clue how to assess NHL defensemen, and then they acquired Pionk and DeMelo?

(Oh wait, they also acquired Beaulieu, so never mind...)

Technically Pionk was in part an amateur scout acquisition.

Same guy that drove the boat when the Jets drafted Copp, Poolman, Connor, Foley, Appleton, Samberg, Kovacevic, Evignson, and Smith wanted Pionk in the 7th round... but they went for Genarro instead. I'm guessing because they didn't want to give 4 picks to one scout hahah.

From what I heard, the scout almost got him when he went pro too. Jets went for him a large part because of the confidence they have in that scout I think.
 

Whileee

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Technically Pionk was in part an amateur scout acquisition.

Same guy that drove the boat when the Jets drafted Copp, Poolman, Connor, Foley, Appleton, Samberg, Kovacevic, Evignson, and Smith wanted Pionk in the 7th round... but they went for Genarro instead. I'm guessing because they didn't want to give 4 picks to one scout hahah.

From what I heard, the scout almost got him when he went pro too. Jets went for him a large part because of the confidence they have in that scout I think.
Giese is a genius...
 

voyageur

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No to Risto.
Did MP, Myers, Stafford or Eakin have connections?

If we're going back to MP, well you can go back to Ponikarovsky to play with Antropov, or reuniting childhood friends Tlusty, Frolik, Pavelec. Or Stastny, who knew Wheeler from team USA. Scheif/Beaulieu, Beaulieu/De Melo. Forbort/Toninato with Pionk. Vets signed this year knew Dave Lowry, and needed jobs. But there's usually in, more than the exceptions, like Morrow, or Kulikov, or the Eakin or Kiselevich rentals. Especially since the team has established a core, since the Wheeler captaincy era. That's been part of the whole family idea...Kane and Bogo trade was a leadership change, on a team that lacked leadership.

I think the Jets still need a top 3 d-man, I'd say Risto fits that bill. Might be a good defenseman to pair up with Heinola down the road.

I think an impending UFA like Savard or Montour may pose less logistical problems come the expansion draft, which is a management factor. But those aren't top 3 d-men, and I still have a hard time saying De Melo is a #3, in spite of his good play.
 
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voyageur

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I'd like to see Maurice make some adjustments here because something has to give. The way our defense is configured doesn't match up against the Oilers.


How about this

Morrissey-Pionk, put your 2 best defensemen together and let them go against Mc Jesus. Without Lowry there is a need for a stronger d-pairing.

Stanley-De Melo, these guys have been solid as a 3rd pairing all year. Give them a chance against Draisaitl, see how they handle the big guns.

Benn-Poolman. Poolman has been having some awful games. But everyone knows he's not a top 4 d-man.

Well down the Oilers lineup there is no Mc David or Draisaitl.

This can also be your 2nd PK unit, behind Morrissey-DeMelo.

Give Forbort a rest. The way he was languishing up the ice after turning over the puck in the offensive zone tells me he needs some rest. He can replace Benn, if called upon. If Stanley struggles in top 4 duty, call up Ville the kid.

If there is an area where the status quo isn't working I'd say it's the defense.
 

Ducky10

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I was told our defence was fine. Demelo was a legit top 4 on a contender and Benn was a great signing....

Anyone care to change thier opinion?
Demelo is fine and his numbers show it. Pair him with Morrissey and you have a legit top 4 pairing.

I’m not sure who said Benn was a great signing. Maybe change the people you’re talking to?
 
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Demelo is fine and his numbers show it. Pair him with Morrissey and you have a legit top 4 pairing.

I’m not sure who said Benn was a great signing. Maybe change the people you’re talking to?


Hahaha Demelloe is “fine”

bull crap. I don’t care what the fancy stats show. He is a turnover machine. He always passes into double triple coverage. and sure he doesn’t take the heat on the turnover but the guy who ends up with the suicide pass ends up giving up the puck nine times out of 10. The guy is a black hole and fancy stats a covering up the fact that he’s a horrible horrible defender
 

Ducky10

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Hahaha Demelloe is “fine”

bull crap. I don’t care what the fanciest that show. He is a turnover machine. He always passes into double triple coverage and sure he doesn’t take the heat on the turnover but the guy who ends up with the suicide pass ends up giving up the puck nine times out of 10. The guy is a black hole and fancy stats a covering up the fact that he’s a horrible horrible defender
Well I’ll certainly buy this rational observation over one that’s based on, you know , facts.

Believe what you want dude, of all the issues with the Jets, Demelo really isn’t one.
 

sipowicz

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I was told our defence was fine. Demelo was a legit top 4 on a contender and Benn was a great signing....

Anyone care to change thier opinion?

Removing Stanley who was mostly playing well for a bottom feeder’s 7h D man “just because” should get a coach fired along with a Poolman anywhere near top two pairings and Boo Boo anywhere but on the taxi squad!

Stanley and a Heinola didn’t have anything more to prove except that a Maurice is an idiot!
 

Orrrules

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Benn was supposed to be depth but really he hasn't hurt the team like the top 4 does.
 

DRW204

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Maurice knows what he's doing guys. Poolman, Forbort and Benn in the lineup at once. How can you question a coach of such intellect.
 

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Technically Pionk was in part an amateur scout acquisition.

Same guy that drove the boat when the Jets drafted Copp, Poolman, Connor, Foley, Appleton, Samberg, Kovacevic, Evignson, and Smith wanted Pionk in the 7th round... but they went for Genarro instead. I'm guessing because they didn't want to give 4 picks to one scout hahah.

From what I heard, the scout almost got him when he went pro too. Jets went for him a large part because of the confidence they have in that scout I think.

Max needs a more senior role.
 
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Slimy Sculpin

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can't believe you're trying to pretend you were right after that debacle of an argument :laugh:

Trust me, whatever's wrong with our team has absolutely nothing to do with DeMelo.
I agree. To my eyes DeMelo has been playing well. However, I’ve got a few friends who think otherwise. I guess some folks have different views on how a D-man should function.
 

Whileee

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DeMelo hasn't been good lately, but it's hard to assess when he's paired with Benn. The main problem with this D is Poolman and Forbort in the top 6. Forbort is barely replacement level at this point, and Poolman makes so many mistakes and dumb plays. An example with Poolman is when he took the puck down the R boards vs Edmonton with McDavid on the ice, and decided to take a shot from around the goal line. No threat to score, and basically a turnover after he put himself out of position deep in the zone. Sure enough, McDavid takes it the other way, forcing Morrissey to make a difficult defensive play. It's a complete lack of awareness of game situation, and Morrissey is constantly cleaning up for him.
 

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Well I’ll certainly buy this rational observation over one that’s based on, you know , facts.

Believe what you want dude, of all the issues with the Jets, Demelo really isn’t one.
Except that he is turning out be next best option for playing top pair with Morrissey. No way around, that equals a weak defensive roster compared to top 10 NHL teams, easily.
I don't tjink too many are berating Demelo as the worst defnseman. He is just not anywhere near a top rated Dman in skills, speed , effective physical strength ( net front clobbering and removal of opposition thugs).
He is a very solid, steady defensive structured Dman who is learning new skills on the fly out of demand in this system and roster.
 
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Ducky10

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Except that he is turning out be next best option for playing top pair with Morrissey. No way around, that equals a weak defensive roster compared to top 10 NHL teams, easily.
I don't tjink too many are berating Demelo as the worst defnseman. He is just not anywhere near a top rated Dman in skills, speed , effective physical strength ( net front clobbering and removal of opposition thugs).
He is a very solid, steady defensive structured Dman who is learning new skills on the fly out of demand in this system and roster.
He plays to the level of a top 4 D. That’s all I said, the rest is your interpretation.
 
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Orrrules

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Demelo needs to be in the top 4 but that still leaves us one short, as bort and pool have to move down. So who is the 4th, it's that guy our stunned GM was supposed to acquire at the tdl. Collin Miller would have done or any number of other available second tier guys. This is all Chevy.
 

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