Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[jaster]

I've always liked Mastrosimone's game, but I kinda doubt he gets signed. Being a senior, the Wings will likely have to make an extra push to sign him, and I'm not sure they want him that bad. Ever since he missed the WJC due to Covid his development has kinda flat-lined. He's had a little rejuvenation at ASU this season, but finally being a ppg player as a 22yo senior isn't all that impressive. Certainly not impressive enough to make him an automatic signing.

 

[jaster]

Savage has a high floor, he should continue to be in the mix. James is a curiosity as another guy with a decent floor but limited ceiling. I think he's behind Savage at the same age, but he was a high enough pick recently enough that I'm willing to give him a little extra rope. LDN's development seems to have faltered, but I think he's still clinging on as a legit prospect, if just barely. After that?

Moore
Gylander
Bednar
Aucoin
Draper
Bradley
Kilpinen
Mathurin
Mehlenbacher
Ali
Plandowski
Zito
Niederbach
Stange
Tuomisto
Grewe
Phillips
Berglund
O'Reilly
Adams
van Pottelberghe

Woof. That's a whole lot of mediocrity, and a disappointing number of players who's development has gone backwards. Mostly low picks, so not really surprising. Half of those guys you can already write completely off. Of the other half, if we get 1 NHLer that would be great.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Savage has a high floor, he should continue to be in the mix. James is a curiosity as another guy with a decent floor but limited ceiling. I think he's behind Savage at the same age, but he was a high enough pick recently enough that I'm willing to give him a little extra rope. LDN's development seems to have faltered, but I think he's still clinging on as a legit prospect, if just barely. After that?

Moore
Gylander
Bednar
Aucoin
Draper
Bradley
Kilpinen
Mathurin
Mehlenbacher
Ali
Plandowski
Zito
Niederbach
Stange
Tuomisto
Grewe
Phillips
Berglund
O'Reilly
Adams
van Pottelberghe

Woof. That's a whole lot of mediocrity, and a disappointing number of players who's development has gone backwards. Mostly low picks, so not really surprising. Half of those guys you can already write completely off. Of the other half, if we get 1 NHLer that would be great.

I think Gylander gets signed. He fits Yzermans size fetish and is having a decent year.

 

[jaster]

I think Gylander gets signed. He fits Yzermans size fetish and is having a decent year.

I can see that, yeah. Especially with Detroit's questionable goalie pipeline. His numbers have improved each year at least. And I'm making no judgements on Gylander, like I am a lot of the other guys on this list. Goalies are voodoo to begin with, and goalies in lower-rated conferences in college hockey are extra voodoo. He could go to Toledo next season and bust out of hockey entirely in 6 months. Or he could be Detroit's starter in 3 years. Who knows lol.

 

[Preposterone]

I've always liked Mastrosimone's game, but I kinda doubt he gets signed. Being a senior, the Wings will likely have to make an extra push to sign him, and I'm not sure they want him that bad. Ever since he missed the WJC due to Covid his development has kinda flat-lined. He's had a little rejuvenation at ASU this season, but finally being a ppg player as a 22yo senior isn't all that impressive. Certainly not impressive enough to make him an automatic signing.

I’ve heard some chatterings around college hockey that maestro intends to hit free agency. No idea how legit they are, but it wouldn’t surprise me

 

[jaster]

I’ve heard some chatterings around college hockey that maestro intends to hit free agency. No idea how legit they are, but it wouldn’t surprise me

I've heard the same. And it makes a lot of sense. He can choose what he feels is the best opportunity out of potentially 30+ possibilities. It's simply a numbers game that Detroit is likely not the best choice for him.

 

[norrisnick]

I’ve heard some chatterings around college hockey that maestro intends to hit free agency. No idea how legit they are, but it wouldn’t surprise me

I assume by free agency he means finding the best PTO for training camp?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Savage has a high floor, he should continue to be in the mix. James is a curiosity as another guy with a decent floor but limited ceiling. I think he's behind Savage at the same age, but he was a high enough pick recently enough that I'm willing to give him a little extra rope. LDN's development seems to have faltered, but I think he's still clinging on as a legit prospect, if just barely. After that?

Moore
Gylander
Bednar
Aucoin
Draper
Bradley
Kilpinen
Mathurin
Mehlenbacher
Ali
Plandowski
Zito
Niederbach
Stange
Tuomisto
Grewe
Phillips
Berglund
O'Reilly
Adams
van Pottelberghe

Woof. That's a whole lot of mediocrity, and a disappointing number of players who's development has gone backwards. Mostly low picks, so not really surprising. Half of those guys you can already write completely off. Of the other half, if we get 1 NHLer that would be great.

LDN hasn’t faltered. He’s been decent in Allsvenskan. Better than Niederbach has been.

Also, Detroit picked 7 drafts worth of kids in the 4 years Yzerman has been GM. For the most part we the fans have been excited about the right picks and meh about the wrong ones.

Looking at that list you posted, I think the only name on there I ever thought had a chance at being something was Grewe. He’s the only one I’m truly disappointed about. Everyone else we knew had high bust potential.

 

[jaster]

LDN hasn’t faltered. He’s been decent in Allsvenskan. Better than Niederbach has been.

Also, Detroit picked 7 drafts worth of kids in the 4 years Yzerman has been GM. For the most part we the fans have been excited about the right picks and meh about the wrong ones.

Looking at that list you posted, I think the only name on there I ever thought had a chance at being something was Grewe. He’s the only one I’m truly disappointed about. Everyone else we knew had high bust potential.

Tailed off, whatever. Maybe that's unfair, but he had some hype there at first, Edvinsson said he's the next Gretzky (or whatever), and he had a a real good final year in juniors. But this season the excitement has gone down, and he failed to make the cut for the WJC. Not a bad season so far, but a bit disappointing. I still think he's a good prospect though, good chance he keeps rising.

I'm not down on Yzerman or our picks, collectively. I acknowledged that list was mostly low picks. Bunch of flyers. It's just underwhelming to see all those names together and nothing very interesting lol.

Of my list, I liked the Grewe and Niederbach picks initially. Everything else was meh or wait-and-see-but-not-expecting-anything.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Tailed off, whatever. Maybe that's unfair, but he had some hype there at first, Edvinsson said he's the next Gretzky (or whatever), and he had a a real good final year in juniors. But this season the excitement has gone down, and he failed to make the cut for the WJC. Not a bad season so far, but a bit disappointing. I still think he's a good prospect though, good chance he keeps rising.

I'm not down on Yzerman or our picks, collectively. I acknowledged that list was mostly low picks. Bunch of flyers. It's just underwhelming to see all those names together and nothing very interesting lol.

Of my list, I liked the Grewe and Niederbach picks initially. Everything else was meh or wait-and-see-but-not-expecting-anything.

He didn’t fail to make the cut due to lack of ability. The Swedish junior team is run by idiots. They failed to invite Wallinder last year until the summer restart and played him like a #6 guy. I would take their lack of recognition with a 10lbs grain of salt.

I’m bummed about Grewe though. Good enough skating and puck skills on his frame and totally willing to mix it up, but dumber than a box of rocks. He was either unable or unwilling to fix his game so good riddance.

I never thought highly of Niederbach even on draft day. There were about 10 other guys I wanted in that spot but whatever. Detroit has Wallinder and Raymond from that draft. Maybe Viro and Sebrango too.

 

[Frk It]

Savage has a high floor, he should continue to be in the mix. James is a curiosity as another guy with a decent floor but limited ceiling. I think he's behind Savage at the same age, but he was a high enough pick recently enough that I'm willing to give him a little extra rope. LDN's development seems to have faltered, but I think he's still clinging on as a legit prospect, if just barely. After that?

Moore
Gylander
Bednar
Aucoin
Draper
Bradley
Kilpinen
Mathurin
Mehlenbacher
Ali
Plandowski
Zito
Niederbach
Stange
Tuomisto
Grewe
Phillips
Berglund
O'Reilly
Adams
van Pottelberghe

Woof. That's a whole lot of mediocrity, and a disappointing number of players who's development has gone backwards. Mostly low picks, so not really surprising. Half of those guys you can already write completely off. Of the other half, if we get 1 NHLer that would be great.

Some of these ncaa kids we have their rights for 4 years and they’re not even in the ncaa yet.

Chill, lol

 

[jaster]

Some of these ncaa kids we have their rights for 4 years and they’re not even in the ncaa yet.

Chill, lol

How am I not chill? The guys you're talking about, Ali and Mehlenbacher, are 7th-round picks. I mean, yes, they have long runways yet and anything can happen, but they were drafted in a place where the odds of finding NHLers is miniscule, and it's not like they are doing anything unexpected against their peers this season. Maybe these two have some of the best odds on that list of making something of themselves, but that really says a lot more about the other players on the list than it does about Ali and Mehlenbacher lol.

 

[Frk It]

How am I not chill? The guys you're talking about, Ali and Mehlenbacher, are 7th-round picks. I mean, yes, they have long runways yet and anything can happen, but they were drafted in a place where the odds of finding NHLers is miniscule, and it's not like they are doing anything unexpected against their peers this season. Maybe these two have some of the best odds on that list of making something of themselves, but that really says a lot more about the other players on the list than it does about Ali and Mehlenbacher lol.

Mehlenbacher was playing as the 2C in Muskegon before he got traded and has 7 pts in 6 games for Fargo since being traded. I think Mehlenbacher and James are having fine +1 seasons. Ali is doing less than what I expected, but he could take some steps at Notre Dame.

We are not even at the 1 year point from drafting these guys and we have them for 4 years. All I’m saying

 

[jaster]

Mehlenbacher was playing as the 2C in Muskegon before he got traded and has 7 pts in 6 games for Fargo since being traded. I think Mehlenbacher and James are having fine +1 seasons. Ali is doing less than what I expected, but he could take some steps at Notre Dame.

We are not even at the 1 year point from drafting these guys and we have them for 4 years. All I’m saying

I'M CHILL, FRK IT, I'M FREAKIN' CHILL MAN!

Seriously though, I get it, I'm not suggesting we give up on most of these guys (some you obviously can at this point), and I love finding a diamond in the rough as much as anyone, but collectively it's an underwhelming list is all. I didn't mean for that to be a controversial statement lol.

I seriously hope Ali or Mehlenbacher tee off in the coming years and you can come back to this thread and be like, "SEE, YOU WEREN'T CHILL ENOUGH, JASTER, YOU JUST WEREN'T CHILL ENOUGH!"

 

[SantosHalper]

Kronwall visited in Turku and was on ice with Tuomisto. There's a video in instagram as well.

 

[Killerjas]

I just don't understand the Grewe pick, he is everything that Ijzerman does not want in a player. This guy has 0 hockey IQ.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Kronwall visited in Turku and was on ice with Tuomisto. There's a video in instagram as well.
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That's interesting. He must still be on the radar.

 

[norrisnick]

That's interesting. He must still be on the radar.

3rd pairing RD is wide open.

 

[jaster]

Tuomisto can't skate. It was probably Kronwall's final visit, to wish him good luck with his European career. Probably bought him a plate of surströmming.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Tailed off, whatever. Maybe that's unfair, but he had some hype there at first, Edvinsson said he's the next Gretzky (or whatever), and he had a a real good final year in juniors. But this season the excitement has gone down, and he failed to make the cut for the WJC. Not a bad season so far, but a bit disappointing. I still think he's a good prospect though, good chance he keeps rising.

Dower Nilssson is progressing really well for a 5th round pick imo.

 

[jaster]

Dower Nilssson is progressing really well for a 5th round pick imo.

Agreed. I'm just comparing his trajectory a year ago to today. It seems to have come down a little bit. I mean, when he started in the SHL this year, it wasn't a given that he was eventually going to move down to Allsvenskan was it?

 

[lilidk]

I just don't understand the Grewe pick, he is everything that Ijzerman does not want in a player. This guy has 0 hockey IQ.

When you draft 18 year old you have no idea how will develop, he had hard work good speed, feistiness , character , some comparison to Boston bruins Superstar. I was very excited about that pic I guess I was wrong

Dower Nilssson is progressing really well for a 5th round pick imo.

Get his brother also

 

[Killerjas]

When you draft 18 year old you have no idea how will develop, he had hard work good speed, feistiness , character , some comparison to Boston bruins Superstar. I was very excited about that pic I guess I was wrong


Get his brother also

You can´t develop low hockey IQ, you either get the game, or you don´t. I get his appeal, but feistiness and character can be learned, hockey IQ you can´t.

 

[jaster]

Keep in mind that hockey IQ, like several traits in the game, can be difficult to pin down when a player is 17/18. Because what eventually becomes apparent at higher levels isn't always apparent when they are teenagers. A kid can process the game just fine in juniors. The challenge in scouting is identifying that the kid is not going to process the game as well at higher levels. That can be difficult.

 

[lilidk]

You can´t develop low hockey IQ, you either get the game, or you don´t. I get his appeal, but feistiness and character can be learned, hockey IQ you can´t.

True , but it's also hard to know how is his IQ when he's 17 and playing in juniors