Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[GoBoltz56]

Why separate Europe and North America? Can't think of any good reason to do that but maybe it's just me.

Look forward to seeing where Buchelnikov plays as the MHL may not be much of a challenge anymore, and what Kilpinen looks like as he's a bit of a mystery.

Buchelnikov will likely be stuck in the MHL unless he's traded to another organization. Ska is famous for not playing youngsters in the KHL. VHL would probably be best for him this year though.

 

[NickH8]

I'm gonna watch a lot of Rogle again this year. I'm hopeful for Niederbach in a bigger role.

 

[ChadS]

Buchelnikov will likely be stuck in the MHL unless he's traded to another organization. Ska is famous for not playing youngsters in the KHL. VHL would probably be best for him this year though.

Yeah I don't expect much KHL time if any but VHL (SKA-Neva) could be a good challenge in terms of managing a more physical game.

 

[Henkka]

Yeah I don't expect much KHL time if any but VHL (SKA-Neva) could be a good challenge in terms of managing a more physical game.

Are those teams same organization, so they could find the right level?

 

[lilidk]

Buchelnikov will likely be stuck in the MHL unless he's traded to another organization. Ska is famous for not playing youngsters in the KHL. VHL would probably be best for him this year though.

Buchelnikov is just upgraded Tyutyaev. Both physically not very good , the best scenario for him stick in Europe for next 3-4 years.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

Honestly, how is being weak even an issue anymore, especially for players playing in Russia? Plenty of “supplements” they could take to gain some lbm. I doubt the KHL has rigorous testing.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I'm gonna watch a lot of Rogle again this year. I'm hopeful for Niederbach in a bigger role.

He’s probably 2nd line in Rogle. It would be interesting to see him centered by Kasper.

 

[ChadS]

Are those teams same organization, so they could find the right level?

As far as I know yes but KHL teams don't always use their VHL affiliate much for development, seems to be more of a place for extra roster players. I think the development part has increased a little in recent years though but that also depends on the team.

Edit. SKA is one of the more active utlizers of the VHL for development so that's why I think there's a decent chance Buchelnikov ends up there at some point this season. But just checked their website and he's not on the 2022-23 roster so I guess he's starting in the MHL. The MHL roster is not available yet to confirm.

FWIW, found SKA's training camp roster and Buchelnikov is on there (44 players)

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The probability may be small, but I still view Cossa and Edvinsson as the only two prospects we have with potential to be the best at their position at some point in their career.

But look at this!


Beard game weak AF. We need Cossa to consult with Zetterberg on how to fix that fuzz or he’ll trend into bust territory.

 

[Perfect Human]

I wonder if Kasper, Wallinder, and Neiderbach get pp time together.

 

[lilidk]

He’s probably 2nd line in Rogle. It would be interesting to see him centered by Kasper.

More likely other way around

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

More likely other way around

Nope. Niederbach will not be a pro center. Not a good enough skater.

 

[Leadzedder]

I’d like to see a prospects thread similiar to the weekly tracking we enjoyed from RWC years back.

All prospects. Team. Weekly stats. Total stats.

Weekly updates. (Same thread) See who’s trending up? Slowing down. I find it much more interesting than a glob of stats.

Anyone want the job?

 

[HisNoodliness]

Nope. Niederbach will not be a pro center. Not a good enough skater.

You're awfully certain that he won't develop his skating or strength enough to play down the middle. Not every center is 6'3 220 lbs or the fastest skater in the league. Look at Backstrom's style for example. I don't see any reason that Niederbach can't be a poor man's Backstrom

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You're awfully certain that he won't develop his skating or strength enough to play down the middle. Not every center is 6'3 220 lbs or the fastest skater in the league. Look at Backstrom's style for example. I don't see any reason that Niederbach can't be a poor man's Backstrom

I’ve watched a lot of SHL hockey the last 2 years and I’m confident Niederbach’s game translates as a winger and not a center at the pro level. He’s not a great skater or play driver. Is very easily overpowered.

And comparing Niederbach to a poor man’s Backstrom? Like…Niklas Backstrom? They are nothing alike.

 

[SCD]

I’ve watched a lot of SHL hockey the last 2 years and I’m confident Niederbach’s game translates as a winger and not a center at the pro level. He’s not a great skater or play driver. Is very easily overpowered.

And comparing Niederbach to a poor man’s Backstrom? Like…Niklas Backstrom? They are nothing alike.

Not true, they both own skates.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Not true, they both own skates.

You are correct! All my points are completely invalid after this revelation.

 

[MBH]

I’ve watched a lot of SHL hockey the last 2 years and I’m confident Niederbach’s game translates as a winger and not a center at the pro level. He’s not a great skater or play driver. Is very easily overpowered.

And comparing Niederbach to a poor man’s Backstrom? Like…Niklas Backstrom? They are nothing alike.

That's why I'm not confident his game translates at all.
He always looks way smaller than he's listed. And he just doesn't skate with enough buzz to make it work in the NHL

But look at this!


Beard game weak AF. We need Cossa to consult with Zetterberg on how to fix that fuzz or he’ll trend into bust territory.

I know Z was probably born with a full beard - but Cossa's beard game ain't bad for a 19-year-old.

 

[USMarine]

That's why I'm not confident his game translates at all.
He always looks way smaller than he's listed. And he just doesn't skate with enough buzz to make it work in the NHL



I know Z was probably born with a full beard - but Cossa's beard game ain't bad for a 19-year-old.

Niederbach is that one prospect i have no idea what folks are seeing in him. I dont see a future NHLer there.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Niederbach is that one prospect i have no idea what folks are seeing in him. I dont see a future NHLer there.

Well, he's got no obvious flaws beyond his skating. Smart player, decent skill, defensively solid. There's definitely a player in there if he can keep improving his skating.

 

[Frk It]

Niederbach is that one prospect i have no idea what folks are seeing in him. I dont see a future NHLer there.

Just about everyone has cooled on him considerably since being picked, not sure where you are seeing/hearing otherwise.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Well, he's got no obvious flaws beyond his skating. Smart player, decent skill, defensively solid. There's definitely a player in there if he can keep improving his skating.

You're also forgetting that he tends to get ragdolled by 5'10" SHL players and loses just about any physical battle.

I really see Niederbach as a guy that turns into a Hirose, Linus Omark, Max Veronneau type. An AAAA level player wearing the gold helmet for his team as top scorer in a league like NLA or Liiga, but just not quite good enough to make it to the NHL for anything more than a cup of coffee.

 

[golffuul]

You're also forgetting that he tends to get ragdolled by 5'10" SHL players and loses just about any physical battle.

I really see Niederbach as a guy that turns into a Hirose, Linus Ulmark, Max Veronneau type. An AAAA level player wearing the gold helmet for his team as top scorer in a league like NLA or Liiga, but just not quite good enough to make it to the NHL for anything more than a cup of coffee.

Yeah...he either winds up as a bottom line forward in the NHL, a career AHL'er. or just stays in the SHL for his career. He has really good hockey IQ, but that hasn't translated into any appreciable development where he looks like he is dominating his current level of play.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yeah...he either winds up as a bottom line forward in the NHL, a career AHL'er. or just stays in the SHL for his career. He has really good hockey IQ, but that hasn't translated into any appreciable development where he looks like he is dominating his current level of play.

The reason I doubt he's a bottom liner in the NHL is the lack of any outstanding physical skill. Bottom liners can and often do get by on plus level athleticism; great skating ala Darren Helm. Great checking ability and defensive tenacity like LGD. Being that rare enforcer modern type like Deslauriers or Reaves.

A guy that might be very generously listed at 5'11" 172lbs who is not very fast or tenacious on the forecheck and bounces off everyone like a pinball just isn't going to cut it. Niederbach is definitely one of Detroit's prospects I would have as a throw in on a trade.

 

[ChadS]

You're also forgetting that he tends to get ragdolled by 5'10" SHL players and loses just about any physical battle.

I wouldn't base much on that for 19-20 year olds playing against men, it's literally the easiest weakness to improve. Elias Pettersson used to go down from the slightest contact, sometimes simply from shooting the puck.