Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Holden Caufield]

Also not a goalie technician by any means.
It just looked ugly.
Seemed like he defended that like it was a wrap around attempt and not a step out.

 

[norrisnick]

Also not a goalie technician by any means.
It just looked ugly.
Seemed like he defended that like it was a wrap around attempt and not a step out.

And that's what it probably should have been.

Red 2 should have been at the crease between Blue 2 and 3 not on the far side. Red 2 is covering nothing right there. If Blue 1 is a wizard and gets the puck through to Blue 4, then great pass my man, I hope Cossa gets it.

And Red 1 should be pressuring Blue 1 rather than also standing in no man's land covering no one and screening the goalie should Blue 1 just tee off and rip through Red 1.

Basically they should have been in a diamond rather than a box. Same spacing but you put the defenders closer to what they are defending. Red 3 gets higher to the point man, which is where he's peeling off to anyway. But yeah, if that box just rotates 90 degrees counter clockwise they'd be much better off.

As it is Red 2 (I think his actual number is 24) just stays right where he's at. The only step he ever takes is actually away from the goal scorer as he makes his move. It's truly bizarre. It's like his brain got stuck and it was only computing, I need to stand here. And that's what he did.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

He hasn't played poorly (31 saves to this point), but, man, what a bad time to give up a goal. But it was a pretty great shot, so what are you going to do, I guess.

 

[Hen Kolland]

And that's what it probably should have been.

Red 2 should have been at the crease between Blue 2 and 3 not on the far side. Red 2 is covering nothing right there. If Blue 1 is a wizard and gets the puck through to Blue 4, then great pass my man, I hope Cossa gets it.

And Red 1 should be pressuring Blue 1 rather than also standing in no man's land covering no one and screening the goalie should Blue 1 just tee off and rip through Red 1.

Basically they should have been in a diamond rather than a box. Same spacing but you put the defenders closer to what they are defending. Red 3 gets higher to the point man, which is where he's peeling off to anyway. But yeah, if that box just rotates 90 degrees counter clockwise they'd be much better off.

As it is Red 2 (I think his actual number is 24) just stays right where he's at. The only step he ever takes is actually away from the goal scorer as he makes his move. It's truly bizarre. It's like his brain got stuck and it was only computing, I need to stand here. And that's what he did.

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For Cossa to make this save, we are getting really close to “assume your defense won’t be where they should be”.

Obviously he will tell you that he should have made the save, but that shouldn’t have even been a SOG to begin with. That goal scorer is staring at the rafters if he makes that move against Seider. Which is to say…that goal scorer has no shooting option against a competent defense.

 

[lhsgolf19]

32 Saves in the tough 3-2 loss

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

It's really not Cossa's fault. Edmonton was doomed when they lost Guenther, IMO. They just didn't have the quality at forward, just a ton of not particularly dangerous shots hoping for the right bounces. Jake Neighbors in particular just did not step up at all.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Named 3rd Star

Edmonton's season over... Rest up big man, big offseason for the young fella since he's probably making the pro leap.

 

[lomekian]

Perhaps he could have seen the lack of D coverage and pokechecked, but that's a risky play. but for a guy that size to be there all alone with enough time to light up a cigar is bonkers

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Perhaps he could have seen the lack of D coverage and pokechecked, but that's a risky play. but for a guy that size to be there all alone with enough time to light up a cigar is bonkers

Or he could have closed his 5 hole.

 

[Reddwit]

There aren’t too many examples of goalies as big as Cossa becoming NHL 1Bs or better before the age of ~24. Not saying that’s gonna be his trajectory, but filling out such a big frame takes most guys some time.

 

[golffuul]

There aren’t too many examples of goalies as big as Cossa becoming NHL 1Bs or better before the age of ~24. Not saying that’s gonna be his trajectory, but filling out such a big frame takes most guys some time.

Even guys like Spencer Knight or Carter Hart are still finding out how much harder it is at the NHL level and how much experience and consistency is needed.

Jake Oettinger is probably the only one of the "young" goalies that has exceeded the normal development curve for goalies. But he's still dealing with the consistency issues at 23. Will be interesting to see how he does next season should they lose lose Klingberg and not get a competent replacement.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

IMO, Detroit will see his development through. Yzerman traded up for him, he's invested.

 

[bedtime20]

Tyutyayev is back skating, very nice to see​

 

[Oddbob]

People need to relax on Cossa. He is young and junior stats bad or good never stopped any goalie from making the NHL. One thing to take into account is junior level defence is pretty bad, which is why plenty of good goalies don't have great save percentages a lot of the time, because their blueliners aren't doing their job. Giving up 3 goals in junior hockey is not the same as giving up 3 in the NHL, as it is way easier to give up 3 in junior for competent goalies.

Look up Carey Price's WHL save percentages for example. They were nothing special most of the time.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

The concerns I have with Cossa are the same as when they drafted him. The knock on him prior to the draft was "Limited technique, questionable positioning, but he's BIG". That continued this season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The concerns I have with Cossa are the same as when they drafted him. The knock on him prior to the draft was "Limited technique, questionable positioning, but he's BIG". That continued this season.

That's kind of how I feel about the guy. And people love to talk about his "elite athleticism" but you're not seeing him making the sprawling, stretching saves that truly athletic goalies do. I hope I'm wrong about the guy because this organization really needs that goalie to be successful.

 

[ChadS]

Zito traded to Niagara

 

[Frk It]

That's kind of how I feel about the guy. And people love to talk about his "elite athleticism" but you're not seeing him making the sprawling, stretching saves that truly athletic goalies do. I hope I'm wrong about the guy because this organization really needs that goalie to be successful.

You shouldn't need to make sprawling saves when you are a 6'6" goalie.

They absolutely raved about Cossa's athleticism in the 2021 Black Book.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You shouldn't need to make sprawling saves when you are a 6'6" goalie.

They absolutely raved about Cossa's athleticism in the 2021 Black Book.

I know they raved about it. But in everything I've seen of Cossa last season and this year I'm not seeing it. Elite athleticism allows a goalie of any size to compensate for poor positioning, and Cossa isn't really doing that. What I see is a big guy that loses the net, and a big guy that creates big gaps. I'm not saying that Cossa is a flat out bust. I really hope he isn't. But I think he's incredibly raw. Way more than anyone really wants to admit. I think he's got a very long learning curve in the minors coming for the next 3 seasons before he becomes a full time player. Maybe even longer.

 

[Frk It]

I know they raved about it. But in everything I've seen of Cossa last season and this year I'm not seeing it. Elite athleticism allows a goalie of any size to compensate for poor positioning, and Cossa isn't really doing that. What I see is a big guy that loses the net, and a big guy that creates big gaps. I'm not saying that Cossa is a flat out bust. I really hope he isn't. But I think he's incredibly raw. Way more than anyone really wants to admit. I think he's got a very long learning curve in the minors coming for the next 3 seasons before he becomes a full time player. Maybe even longer.

Let's see how the next 6 months go. Could get a big role at the WJC and then could end up having a decent role in the AHL.

He ended the season pretty nicely, I thought.

How he does in the AHL is really going to dictate what type of time frame he will need.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Zito traded to Niagara

That is a boatload for Zito.
The trades were announced separately.

Zito alone returned;
Two 2nd rounders
Two 4th rounders
One 6th round pick

You can’t trade 1st round picks in the OHL, so Niagara must really like him for next year.

 

[golffuul]

If you look at Cossa from a pure numbers and success standpoint. He's completely on track for a "normal" goalie development curve. I'll be worried when he's 23-24 and still the same goaltender.

 

[bedtime20]

I don't really like Niagra right now, but if they're willing to give Zito big minutes then I'm fine with it. Nice to see the haul he brought in for Windsor, really shows his value.

 

[Pavels Dog]

If you look at Cossa from a pure numbers and success standpoint. He's completely on track for a "normal" goalie development curve. I'll be worried when he's 23-24 and still the same goaltender.

Exactly. The Vezina nominees this year:

Shesterkin: NHL starter at 25-26
Markström: NHL starter at ~28
Saaros: NHL starter at 25-26?

 

[Mister Ed]

Oscar Plandowski goes from the Charlottetown Islanders to the Drummondville Voltigeurs in the QMJHL. Got traded for a 2nd (2022) and a 4th round (2024).