Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I caught the Oil Kings game last night, First goal was a 2 on 1, Cossa made the first save then the other winger put in the rebound. Second goal was a deflection off a good screen. He made some goods stops on the penalty kill.

Korchinski's game is really nice, I think he'd generate a lot more attention at #8OA if this board didn't have such severe LHD fatigue.

 

[raymond23]

I caught the Oil Kings game last night, First goal was a 2 on 1, Cossa made the first save then the other winger put in the rebound. Second goal was a deflection off a good screen. He made some goods stops on the penalty kill.

Korchinski's game is really nice, I think he'd generate a lot more attention at #8OA if this board didn't have such severe LHD fatigue.

I really really want Korchinski.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I caught the Oil Kings game last night, First goal was a 2 on 1, Cossa made the first save then the other winger put in the rebound. Second goal was a deflection off a good screen. He made some goods stops on the penalty kill.

Korchinski's game is really nice, I think he'd generate a lot more attention at #8OA if this board didn't have such severe LHD fatigue.

Or if he could, you know, play defense.

The skating, stickhandling and passing are all there. But Korchinski scares me in his own end and he scares me when defending the rush. I said on the mains that this kid could become another Chabot, or he could become another Cholowski.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Or if he could, you know, play defense.

The skating, stickhandling and passing are all there. But Korchinski scares me in his own end and he scares me when defending the rush. I said on the mains that this kid could become another Chabot, or he could become another Cholowski.

I tend to agree, offense minded defenseman tend to scare me and are not my cup of tea. I’d rather have a defenseman that scores 20 points less than Hronek but gives up half the goals. Everyone wants offense tho. I much prefer yzerman defense style drafting.

 

[NickH8]

I tend to agree, offense minded defenseman tend to scare me and are not my cup of tea. I’d rather have a defenseman that scores 20 points less than Hronek but gives up half the goals. Everyone wants offense tho. I much prefer yzerman defense style drafting.

I see where you're coming from. Fortunately good offense and defense isn't mutually exclusive as we've seen from Seider and hopefully Edvinsson. That's why I'd rather take Mintyukov over Korchinski or Mateychuk.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I see where you're coming from. Fortunately good offense and defense isn't mutually exclusive as we've seen from Seider and hopefully Edvinsson. That's why I'd rather take Mintyukov over Korchinski or Mateychuk.

If you watch Korchinski defend then you would realize they are mutually exclusive.

He's incredibly exciting when the puck is on his stick, but he's scary when it's off. Korchinski is really a poor defender.

 

[NickH8]

If you watch Korchinski defend then you would realize they are mutually exclusive.

He's incredibly exciting when the puck is on his stick, but he's scary when it's off. Korchinski is really a poor defender.

I agree with you in not liking Korchinski and preffering Yzerman style Dmen, who by definition provide good offense but are primarily responsible in their own end.

 

[Frk It]

Or if he could, you know, play defense.

The skating, stickhandling and passing are all there. But Korchinski scares me in his own end and he scares me when defending the rush. I said on the mains that this kid could become another Chabot, or he could become another Cholowski.

They’ve had quite a bit of success this year with him playing a pretty substantial role, so that’s crazy.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

They’ve had quite a bit of success this year with him playing a pretty substantial role, so that’s crazy.

Not really. He’s an offensive dynamo but a below average defender. If he was even average defensively he’d be a clear cut top 10 pick.

 

[Frk It]

Not really. He’s an offensive dynamo but a below average defender. If he was even average defensively he’d be a clear cut top 10 pick.

He could go top 10. Let’s see where he ends up on Bob’s final list. I think you are definitely over-exaggerating his shortcomings.

Kid is also very young for this draft.

 

[golffuul]

Not really. He’s an offensive dynamo but a below average defender. If he was even average defensively he’d be a clear cut top 10 pick.

I see Korchinski in the 15 and lower range for sure...I think teams that don't have that style of d-man (the Wings already have several in the pool), will really look to make hay with his offensive style. His IQ isn't as strong as I would like from someone so "gifted" offensively, either. But his defensive shortcomings are where he's going to fall out of the top 10-15, IMO.

Watching his defensive "video" footage, reminds me too much of Hronek with the weak stick play and the only playing physical when the forward traps himself on the half-wall. He doesn't skate backwards very well, either. And he has a small frame for someone 6'2", which is not great. I would suspect that any team that wants to draft him higher, does so as a project-type defenseman willing to let him work on his game for a few years before getting him into the AHL for further refinement, especially since he has only played one full year of CHL. I could see Columbus take him with their 12th pick, if they wanted to take a swing there. But of the teams currently in the top 12, I'm not sure there would be that much risk-taking when you have a plethora of other players who are more developed.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He could go top 10. Let’s see where he ends up on Bob’s final list. I think you are definitely over-exaggerating his shortcomings.

Kid is also very young for this draft.

We should take this to the other thread.

Also there was a study that showed that there's a correlation between a player's birth quarter and their NHL production. Players that are younger for their draft class (Q2 and Q3 babies, or april to september) don't produce as much on average as the older draftees in Q1 and Q4. Players younger in their draft class doesn't mean more potential. It usually means fewer career points.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Edmonton ties up the series 1-1 after a 5-4 Win... 26 Saves for Sebastian

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Edmonton ties up the series 1-1 after a 5-4 Win... 26 Saves for Sebastian

When did Edmonton get our goalie? Now I’m mad and I won’t sleep tonight.

Yeah I know the series is pats game 3 but I thought it was funny

 

[Holden Caufield]

Windsor Spitfires are playing in the OHL final.
Pasquale Zito with a nice assist tonight in 1st period.

Has been quiet in the playoffs . Appears to have a smashed up face and is wearing a full cage. I’m guessing that is why he missed some games ?

But Wyatt Johnson…. Oh my what a player!

 

[ZDH]

Cossa on TSN tonight at 10 fellow Canadians.

 

[lidstromiscool]

Cossa on TSN tonight at 10 fellow Canadians.

Cossa has looked solid so far. Edmonton up 1-0 after 40 min, 16 saves for Cossa. Edmonton is so good, its tough to evaluate a goalie. It would be nice to see him on a team that gives up more shots, probably next year in Grand Rapids

 

[lidstromiscool]

Cossa got the shutout, Seattle registered a total of 5 shots in the 3rd period, which shows how good Edmonton is. I don't think Seattle even had a scoring chance in the last 30 minutes of the game.

 

[lhsgolf19]

21 Save Shutout... 2nd Star

 

[Mister Ed]

Cossa now has 4 shutouts in 16 playoff games in his career, 2nd best all-time behind Dustin Slade for shutouts per start (games played / shutouts) at 1 shutout every 4 games (minimum 16 games played - sample size of 155 goalies).

This team has a star in the making. I know the team in front of him is good, but still, these are all-star numbers.

 

[izlez]

Cossa now has 4 shutouts in 16 playoff games in his career, 2nd best all-time behind Dustin Slade for shutouts per start (games played / shutouts) at 1 shutout every 4 games (minimum 16 games played - sample size of 155 goalies).

This team has a star in the making. I know the team in front of him is good, but still, these are all-star numbers.

I've been pretty cautious on Cossa because I've always used Save% as the main stat to evaluate goalies, where he hasn't had the greatest season. But looking at some other good goalies, I see a bit of a trend that shutouts might be a good indicator for juniors. 6 in the regular season and 4 in the playoffs so far is impressive.

I know he's on a really good team, but are 14-2, 4 shutouts, and 2 assists meaningful stats? Or are they nothing?

I've also noticed exactly how much he's been better than his backup. Consistently. I'm starting to become more of a believer

 

[jaster]

To me, a goalie cannot establish himself as a sure-fire NHLer, let alone an NHL star, at the junior level. Especially on a stacked team. The best they can do is show that their development is still on track and that they haven't faltered or established a cause for concern.

Playing well is way better than struggling right now, but Cossa is just too far away from the NHL to be much more excited about than the day he was drafted. Stepping into the pros next year and succeeding on a middling team would be the first point, post-draft, that the excitement level should be dialed up a bit.

I still like the pick, still excited about the potential. Hopefully these next couple years go well for him!

 

[lhsgolf19]

Solid Playoffs so far

14-2 1.98 GAA .911 SV 4 SO

 

[Mister Ed]

To me, a goalie cannot establish himself as a sure-fire NHLer, let alone an NHL star, at the junior level. Especially on a stacked team. The best they can do is show that their development is still on track and that they haven't faltered or established a cause for concern.

Playing well is way better than struggling right now, but Cossa is just too far away from the NHL to be much more excited about than the day he was drafted. Stepping into the pros next year and succeeding on a middling team would be the first point, post-draft, that the excitement level should be dialed up a bit.

I still like the pick, still excited about the potential. Hopefully these next couple years go well for him!

Hopefully we see him on the GR Griffins next year, maybe with Pickard / Brattstrom.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I've been pretty cautious on Cossa because I've always used Save% as the main stat to evaluate goalies, where he hasn't had the greatest season. But looking at some other good goalies, I see a bit of a trend that shutouts might be a good indicator for juniors. 6 in the regular season and 4 in the playoffs so far is impressive.

I know he's on a really good team, but are 14-2, 4 shutouts, and 2 assists meaningful stats? Or are they nothing?

I've also noticed exactly how much he's been better than his backup. Consistently. I'm starting to become more of a believer

It means his P/60 is trash and he needs to work on his passing and offensive game if he ever wants to make it in the NHL.