Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[Holden Caufield]

Well normally it will always look a little worse than it actually is... Edmonton doesn't give up a ton of shots so he has to be nearly perfect to keep looking good lol

True. When a team is dominant defensively and gives up low shot volumes… they generally own even strength play.

The lesser team generates most its chances/shots on the power play. As we know the oppositions best offensive players are on the PP. Also, you don’t take low percentage shots on the PP, you generally wait for a prime shot opportunity.

My guess is Cossa is seeing a disproportionately high amount of quality shots comparative to his overall shot volume.

So I’m not worried about the save percentage.

 

[cjeagle]

Well normally it will always look a little worse than it actually is... Edmonton doesn't give up a ton of shots so he has to be nearly perfect to keep looking good lol

True. When a team is dominant defensively and gives up low shot volumes… they generally own even strength play.

The lesser team generates most its chances/shots on the power play. As we know the oppositions best offensive players are on the PP. Also, you don’t take low percentage shots on the PP, you generally wait for a prime shot opportunity.

My guess is Cossa is seeing a disproportionately high amount of quality shots comparative to his overall shot volume.

So I’m not worried about the save percentage.

That is a bunch of crap. The best playoff goaltenders still have good save percentages regardless of the opposition or number of shots. It is the reason they win Stanley Cups.

If you can't maintain that in the juniors, how do you expect to do the same in the pros.

 

[Pavels Dog]

That is a bunch of crap. The best playoff goaltenders still have good save percentages regardless of the opposition or number of shots. It is the reason they win Stanley Cups.

If you can't maintain that in the juniors, how do you expect to do the same in the pros.

So you would be disappointed if he goes 12-1 on the way to the SCF if his sv% isn't great?

 

[cjeagle]

So you would be disappointed if he goes 12-1 on the way to the SCF if his sv% isn't great?

I would be happy for Cossa but that performance isn't going to prove that he will be as successful in the pros. This is still the juniors after all and you would expect a prospective future NHL starter to dominate at that level.

 

[lilidk]

Cossa could be superstar or never make it to the NHL, still long way to know.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

From what I've been able to watch, Cossa's playing good hockey these playoffs. As dominant as the 12-1 record suggests? Probably not. But I think there's a lot more to it than seeing a .909 and saying "meh."

Winnipeg has the best powerplay in the league. Savoie's absence stings, no way around that, but that's a talented team across the board. He's making good stops, I'm far from a goalie coach, but his lateral movement is really impressive to me considering his size. Some of those goals I've seen he probably could've done better, a lot of them he didn't have much of a chance.

I still feel like this board in general is overly-skeptical of performance in North American amateur hockey, which doesn't really reflect how successful the CHL and NCAA have been as developmental leagues.

 

[Killerjas]

From what I've been able to watch, Cossa's playing good hockey these playoffs. As dominant as the 12-1 record suggests? Probably not. But I think there's a lot more to it than seeing a .909 and saying "meh."

Winnipeg has the best powerplay in the league. Savoie's absence stings, no way around that, but that's a talented team across the board. He's making good stops, I'm far from a goalie coach, but his lateral movement is really impressive to me considering his size. Some of those goals I've seen he probably could've done better, a lot of them he didn't have much of a chance.

I still feel like this board in general is overly-skeptical of performance in North American amateur hockey, which doesn't really reflect how successful the CHL and NCAA have been as developmental leagues.

People still have nightmares about the 2017 "lets go NA prospects!" draft

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

A lot of people said okay show me it against Winnipeg. Savoie going down is obviously unfortunate. This isn't just his stacked team, Cossa is pretty legit. Now I wasn't a guy that needed to be sold and I get people will want more on the sv%. 11-1 about to be 12-1 and he does timely saves too. Pretty excited by what we have here, I think he is still a ways off goalies take some time, but man this looks pretty legit.

Yeah but look at his scoring totals. He has probably the lowest p/60 on his team.
Bust!!!

 

[golffuul]

Yeah but look at his scoring totals. He has probably the lowest p/60 on his team.
Bust!!!

And that one loss...clearly he's too streaky for my liking

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

People still have nightmares about the 2017 "lets go NA prospects!" draft

I suppose that's fair, but I guess I wouldn't lean on that for two reasons: 1) I don't think it's fair to judge Yzerman and Draper's North American prospects based on Holland and Wright's picks from five years ago, and 2) I don't really view 2017 as a failure for its priority on North American talent. I view it as a failure for its priority on size.

Like I don't think the Rasmussen pick was an indication that we were overrating North American talent. I think we just picked the wrong North American talent. With hindsight I think Suzuki and Thomas are the picks you'd make there, with Necas just behind.

Beyond that I don't think the draft was that much of a crisis. Lindstrom at #38 seems alright-ish, he seems to be finding his footing in the NHL. Kotkansalo certainly didn't pan out, I'm not sure whether a Finn with one year of USHL hockey was a failure on our NA scouting or our European scouting. I also don't know that the 71st pick in a draft should really be viewed as a potential NHL talent. Beyond that no one panned out (I guess Petruzzelli is still kicking around), but you're getting pretty deep into the late rounds at some point.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Yeah, there are probably 3 NA picks that haven't disappointed yet; Cossa, Mazur and Buium. Pretty much all the 19 and 20 NA players look to be very...mediocre. I still have hope Mastrosimone can turn it around. Hanas to me just seems like the kind of AAAA level player. A good minor league scorer who can play 4th line for a few games in a pinch.

Draper should be on the hot seat at this point. Really terrible NA drafting, especially relative to his European counterparts.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Draper should be on the hot seat at this point. Really terrible NA drafting, especially relative to his European counterparts.

Can't expect Draper to get Seider, Edvinsson, Raymond caliber players with 3rd and 4th round picks.
I'd say our NA drafting is looking improved under Draper, but it's far too early to say anything.

 

[ChadS]

Draper should be on the hot seat at this point. Really terrible NA drafting, especially relative to his European counterparts.

To be fair Draper is head of all amateur scouting, not North American amateur scouting. You can't judge his performance on just the North American picks.

 

[lidstromiscool]

To be fair Draper is head of all amateur scouting, not North American amateur scouting. You can't judge his performance on just the North American picks.

100%, Draper has been in Europe scouting plenty this season, although I do think Detroit needs to improve their picks from North America.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Let's not forget that Bertuzzi was Draper's pick too. He's got some track record. Also Smith, but I don't think he's much of an NHLer...

 

[Hen Kolland]

To be fair Draper is head of all amateur scouting, not North American amateur scouting. You can't judge his performance on just the North American picks.

Correct, if anything, he deserves credit for the European picks. His job is to make sure the team is bringing in quality amateur talent. Yes, that means Hakan reports to Draper, and Hakan’s success is part of the responsibilities of Draper. Even though people seem to believe that Hakan Andersson reports to nobody and helps the Wings out of the goodness in his heart

 

[NickH8]

Correct, if anything, he deserves credit for the European picks. His job is to make sure the team is bringing in quality amateur talent. Yes, that means Hakan reports to Draper, and Hakan’s success is part of the responsibilities of Draper. Even though people seem to believe that Hakan Andersson reports to nobody and helps the Wings out of the goodness in his heart

How do we know that Draper wasn't also clamoring for Seider, Edvinsson, and Raymond? The dude is sighted all the time scouting in Europe. And his "nepotism pick" last year is so far one of our better picks.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

How do we know that Draper wasn't also clamoring for Seider, Edvinsson, and Raymond? The dude is sighted all the time scouting in Europe. And his "nepotism pick" last year is so far one of our better picks.

 

[Killerjas]

The fact we see an increase in European picks and less NA picks speaks volumes

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The fact we see an increase in European picks and less NA picks speaks volumes

I think that's more realizing where the team's scouting strengths are. And I think it says more about Ken Holland not really utilizing Hakan.

Holland with Wright and McDonnel (the guy before Wright) seemed to want to use Detroit's early draft capital on grinders while basically telling Hakan to find him another Datsyuk or Zetterberg in the 6th and 7th rounds.

Detroit Red Wings Draft History at hockeydb.com

From 2002 to 2018 Detroit used a 1st or 2nd round pick on a euro league player 7 times.
2 of 2 2nds in the 2002 draft. (Hudler and Fleischmann)
1 of 3 2nds in 2006 (Axelsson)
1 of 2 2nds in 2009 (Tatar)
1 of 1 2nd in 2010 (Jarnkrok)
1 of 1 2nd in 2017 (Lindstrom)
1 of 2 2nds in 2018 (Berggren)

Since Yzerman took over:
3 of 4 1st and 2nd round picks in 2019 (Seider, Tuomisto and Johansson)
3 of 4 1st and 2nd round picks in 2020 (Raymond, Wallinder, Niederbach)
1 of 3 1st and 2nd round picks in 2021 (Edvinsson)

In 3 years Yzerman made more early Euro picks than Holland did in 16 drafts.

 

[DTR]

The fact we see an increase in European picks and less NA picks speaks volumes

North American players have been more impacted than anyone else by Covid. Many of these CHL kids have lost substantial development time from all the delays they encountered. I just think there is less risk in drafting Euro kids right now.

 

[lilidk]

Just because we had big increase in drafting Europeans , doesn't mean going to be the same in the future.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Just because we had big increase in drafting Europeans , doesn't mean going to be the same in the future.

Considering the QMJHL and OHL are incredibly weak at the draft this year, I don't see how we aren't going to pick more players from Euro leagues early this draft.

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[neelynugs]

what's your top 5 prospect list looking like heading into the draft?

that kid soderblom is a total beast. wings will be cruising past the bruins pretty soon.