Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[bedtime20]

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Cossa definitely seems to have picked it up lately. And walledstadt got benched and isn’t even getting playing time right now, combine that with askarov playing horrible and I think the people complaining about the pick are being fickle. It’s not like other young goalie prospects are lighting up the world, they take time.

 

[GoBoltz56]

I like Cossa's tools. He;s big and quick..he has those long, quick Vasilevskiy legs down low. But he seems kind of "scrambly". He often looks around as if he's not confident he has the puck. I know nothing about goalie development but hopefully that's something he can work on.

 

[Killerjas]

Cossa definitely seems to have picked it up lately. And walledstadt got benched and isn’t even getting playing time right now, combine that with askarov playing horrible and I think the people complaining about the pick are being fickle. It’s not like other young goalie prospects are lighting up the world, they take time.

He isn't playing because they rather want a more seasoned player in net for the play-offs. Makes perfect sense. We are talking about a 19 year old playing against MEN, ofcourse you won't put Wallstedt in net (yet)

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

He isn't playing because they rather want a more seasoned player in net for the play-offs. Makes perfect sense. We are talking about a 19 year old playing against MEN, ofcourse you won't put Wallstedt in net (yet)

I mean that’s fair enough but it’s kind of funny how quickly the goalposts moved from “Look how awesome Wallstedt is, playing starting goalie in the SHL at his age” to “Oh of course Wallstedt shouldn’t start in the playoffs - look at his age!”

I still think it’s a coin flip between Cossa and Wallstedt, but it feels like people bend over backwards to justify the parts of Wallstedt’s development that aren’t going perfectly while every poor game Cossa has is the end of the world.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean that’s fair enough but it’s kind of funny how quickly the goalposts moved from “Look how awesome Wallstedt is, playing starting goalie in the SHL at his age” to “Oh of course Wallstedt shouldn’t start in the playoffs - look at his age!”

I still think it’s a coin flip between Cossa and Wallstedt, but it feels like people bend over backwards to justify the parts of Wallstedt’s development that aren’t going perfectly while every poor game Cossa has is the end of the world.

I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't start him. Joel Lassinantti has been good but Wallstedt was statistically better this season. Eventually the Mike Vernon sized goalie is going to break Lulea fans' hearts.

 

[Preposterone]

Cossa definitely seems to have picked it up lately. And walledstadt got benched and isn’t even getting playing time right now, combine that with askarov playing horrible and I think the people complaining about the pick are being fickle. It’s not like other young goalie prospects are lighting up the world, they take time.

In walledstadt’s defense, Lassinantti is a really good SHL goalie with playoff experience. they split starts like 60-40 during the season; It’s not like Wally was playing terrible

 

[NickH8]

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What a squad

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

 

[GoBoltz56]

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What a squad

Sadly not far off from the current roster

 

[Hen Kolland]

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What a squad

A staunch reminder of how much we tend to overrate the players in the system. Like three years ago this would have felt reasonably achievable, but presently, you realize exactly how terrible this roster would actually be. Like easily the worst team in the league powered from the back end out. That would take, in my opinion, the worst defensive unit in the NHL, and strip them of 3 of their top 4 defensemen and replace them with shit. Bowen Byram seems like a nice piece, but with the surrounding players, he would drown. Two goalies without a chance at being NHL regulars.

This is funny to look back on. Good job.

 

[NickH8]

A staunch reminder of how much we tend to overrate the players in the system. Like three years ago this would have felt reasonably achievable, but presently, you realize exactly how terrible this roster would actually be. Like easily the worst team in the league powered from the back end out. That would take, in my opinion, the worst defensive unit in the NHL, and strip them of 3 of their top 4 defensemen and replace them with shit. Bowen Byram seems like a nice piece, but with the surrounding players, he would drown. Two goalies without a chance at being NHL regulars.

This is funny to look back on. Good job.

I think our prospects now are thankfully better, but the point still stands. I think it's wise to assume only a third of our top to middle end prospects become full time NHLers. Like out of Soderblom, Niederbach, and Dower-Nilsson assume only one makes an impact.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think our prospects now are thankfully better, but the point still stands. I think it's wise to assume only a third of our top to middle end prospects become full time NHLers. Like out of Soderblom, Niederbach, and Dower-Nilsson assume only one makes an impact.

I think that the only sure bet in Detroit's current system is Edvinsson. The others I'd break into groups.

75% or greater probability of being a full time NHLer
Edvinsson

50-75%
Soderblom
Berggren
Wallinder
Cossa
Mazur (He's looking like he belongs in a top 5 prospects discussion for the Wings)
Johansson

35-50% - Guys that could end up as good NHL role players in the bottom half of lineups or be AHL/NHL tweeners like Hirose
Niederbach
Buium (Could move up a tier with a solid sophomore season)
Sebrango
Viro
Savage
Mastrosimone

Less than 35% - Might get a cup of coffee but probably are fair to middling minor leaguers to total washouts.
Phillips
Hanas
Tuomisto
McIsaac
Dower-Nilsson (although I think he could move up to the uppier tier with some extra development time.)
Bednar
Pearson
Brattstrom
Bradley
Kivenmaki
Zito (Another that I think could move up and be a future role player)
Draper
Grewe
Stange
Cotton
Barton
Tyutyayev
Berglund
Aucoin
Plandowski
Kivenmaki (I'm bummed about this because I think he could have been a dark horse to make it until that really nasty concussion)

 

[Killerjas]

I think that the only sure bet in Detroit's current system is Edvinsson. The others I'd break into groups.

75% or greater probability of being a full time NHLer
Edvinsson

50-75%
Soderblom
Berggren
Wallinder
Cossa
Mazur (He's looking like he belongs in a top 5 prospects discussion for the Wings)
Johansson

35-50% - Guys that could end up as good NHL role players in the bottom half of lineups or be AHL/NHL tweeners like Hirose
Niederbach
Buium (Could move up a tier with a solid sophomore season)
Sebrango
Viro
Savage
Mastrosimone

Less than 35% - Might get a cup of coffee but probably are fair to middling minor leaguers to total washouts.
Phillips
Hanas
Tuomisto
McIsaac
Dower-Nilsson (although I think he could move up to the uppier tier with some extra development time.)
Bednar
Pearson
Brattstrom
Bradley
Kivenmaki
Zito (Another that I think could move up and be a future role player)
Draper
Grewe
Stange
Cotton
Barton
Tyutyayev
Berglund
Aucoin
Plandowski
Kivenmaki (I'm bummed about this because I think he could have been a dark horse to make it until that really nasty concussion)

To be more realistic, divide the sub 35% players by 2. I only 2/3 potential NHL stayers from that list.

 

[newfy]

I think that the only sure bet in Detroit's current system is Edvinsson. The others I'd break into groups.

75% or greater probability of being a full time NHLer
Edvinsson

50-75%
Soderblom
Berggren
Wallinder
Cossa
Mazur (He's looking like he belongs in a top 5 prospects discussion for the Wings)
Johansson

35-50% - Guys that could end up as good NHL role players in the bottom half of lineups or be AHL/NHL tweeners like Hirose
Niederbach
Buium (Could move up a tier with a solid sophomore season)
Sebrango
Viro
Savage
Mastrosimone

Less than 35% - Might get a cup of coffee but probably are fair to middling minor leaguers to total washouts.
Phillips
Hanas
Tuomisto
McIsaac
Dower-Nilsson (although I think he could move up to the uppier tier with some extra development time.)
Bednar
Pearson
Brattstrom
Bradley
Kivenmaki
Zito (Another that I think could move up and be a future role player)
Draper
Grewe
Stange
Cotton
Barton
Tyutyayev
Berglund
Aucoin
Plandowski
Kivenmaki (I'm bummed about this because I think he could have been a dark horse to make it until that really nasty concussion)

I think I would agree with pretty much all of what you said, but I'm willing to rank Berggren in his own tier just below Edvinsson. Hes been a dominant player in 2 very good pro leagues now, and has come a long way this season with the "north american" game.

Its also not fair to compare to even 3 years ago just because of how many picks the wings have had the lat 3 years since then. Some 2nd and 3rd rounders are going to hit and become players, but when you have more lottery tickets your odds of getting something increase for sure

 

[Killerjas]

I think I would agree with pretty much all of what you said, but I'm willing to rank Berggren in his own tier just below Edvinsson. Hes been a dominant player in 2 very good pro leagues now, and has come a long way this season with the "north american" game.

Its also not fair to compare to even 3 years ago just because of how many picks the wings have had the lat 3 years since then. Some 2nd and 3rd rounders are going to hit and become players, but when you have more lottery tickets your odds of getting something increase for sure

I have Edvinsson and Berggren in the same tier as of now. Soderblom could sneak in that tier as a good 3rd line energy guy.

Johansson, Cossa, Wallinder, Mazur could also be in a tier. Cossa is a big question mark, need to see him play against men for 1 or 2 years before I make a decision. Goalies are mad voodoo...

 

[lilidk]

I have Edvinsson and Berggren in the same tier as of now. Soderblom could sneak in that tier as a good 3rd line energy guy.

Johansson, Cossa, Wallinder, Mazur could also be in a tier. Cossa is a big question mark, need to see him play against men for 1 or 2 years before I make a decision. Goalies are mad voodoo...

I have Edvinsson in the same tier with Seider for NHL potential.

 

[NickH8]

If I were to make bets on who in our current prospect pool is on our team in a significant role when we're competitive I'd bet on Edvinsson, Berggren, Soderblom, Mazur, and one of Wallinder or Johansson (flip a coin). Also Cossa but who knows with goalies. That would be a pretty solid return on our draft picks. That leave us with two pillars on defense to build off of, a start to our defensive bottom four, and three wingers to fill out our lineup after Raymond, Vrana, and Bertuzzi. The big hole in our org being center.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think I would agree with pretty much all of what you said, but I'm willing to rank Berggren in his own tier just below Edvinsson. Hes been a dominant player in 2 very good pro leagues now, and has come a long way this season with the "north american" game.

Its also not fair to compare to even 3 years ago just because of how many picks the wings have had the lat 3 years since then. Some 2nd and 3rd rounders are going to hit and become players, but when you have more lottery tickets your odds of getting something increase for sure

I still think there's a way that the Wings bungle Berggren and try to keep him in the minors until he's no longer eligible to be on his parents' healthcare in the US. In just about any other organization he would have been up halfway through the year.

A lot of what I wrote is just as much on coaching, team strategies and deployment as it is on the player. If we end up with Blashill putting Berggren on the 4th line next to Smith and Stephens I also don't see a good outcome.

 

[NickH8]

I still think there's a way that the Wings bungle Berggren and try to keep him in the minors until he's no longer eligible to be on his parents' healthcare in the US. In just about any other organization he would have been up halfway through the year.

A lot of what I wrote is just as much on coaching, team strategies and deployment as it is on the player. If we end up with Blashill putting Berggren on the 4th line next to Smith and Stephens I also don't see a good outcome.

This is why we need a new coach.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I have Edvinsson and Berggren in the same tier as of now. Soderblom could sneak in that tier as a good 3rd line energy guy.

Johansson, Cossa, Wallinder, Mazur could also be in a tier. Cossa is a big question mark, need to see him play against men for 1 or 2 years before I make a decision. Goalies are mad voodoo...

I think that Detroit will do whatever they can to set Cossa up for success because of the draft capital they invested in him. But at the same time I'm less sure of him because of an up-and-down year in the WHL and piss poor coaching from Jeff Salajko.

 

[Pavels Dog]

A lot of what I wrote is just as much on coaching, team strategies and deployment as it is on the player. If we end up with Blashill putting Berggren on the 4th line next to Smith and Stephens I also don't see a good outcome.

That's tinfoil hat stuff though.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

That's tinfoil hat stuff though.

How? Putting a talented scoring forward with plugs isn't a recipe for success. We have a coach who is bad enough to do just that.

 

[Pavels Dog]

How? Putting a talented scoring forward with plugs isn't a recipe for success.

I mean there's no reason to think that would happen for any length of time.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean there's no reason to think that would happen for any length of time.

Without trading Zadina or Fabbri, where do you realistically expect Berggren to slot in the lineup? Who on the right side does he displace?

How about on the left wing?

He's an offensively skilled, fast skating playmaking winger. His play is suited to being on a line with skilled players, which Detroit is very light on. So who is he likely to play with? Some combination of Erne, Sundqvist, Smith, Stephens, Rasmussen and Veleno who is the most talented of the bunch.