Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[izlez]

Berggren and AJ aged out.

I hadn't been following his rankings, but when I saw they were this high I figured the loophole of these guys still being prospects was a big part of it. That's encouraging that they're not even included.

(Ed still being included still obviously helps a ton where a guy like Luke Hughes graduated)

 

[DoMakc]

Wheeler is a waste of time. He still has left a lot passages he wrote for his pre-draft rankings in the current assessment. Like he writes about Cossa playing for Oil Kings making his assessment difficult despite the fact he played his last game for Oil Kings two seasons ago. Same for others - I'm sure I read that everybody in the Austrian Federation being excited about Kasper in every write-up about him starting with pre-draft. I'm not sure he actually follows anybody after the draft. In my opinion, Wheeler's write-ups are useless from information aspect as they are not up-to-date and also useless from entertainment angle since you are reading the same stuff several times.

 

[Run the Jewels]

As I predicted, Wheeler at the Athletic has Buffalo #1 and the Wings #2. It's kind of hilarious - his top 6 Sabre prospects are Levi and 5 not-huge-likely wingers.

Wings rankings:

1. Ed
2. ASP
3. Kasper
4. Danielson
5. Cossa
6. Augustine
7. Mazur
8. Wallinder
9. Buchelnikov
10. Soderblom
11. Buium
12. Gibson
13. N. Dower-Nilsson
14. Lombardi
14. Anton Johansson

I really like the top 7 as eventual NHL contributors on a competitive team. I would rearrange them a bit.


1. Ed
2. ASP
3. Danielson
4. Kasper
5. Augustine
6. Cossa
7. Mazur

Also, I think he underrates Lombardi. He's having a bit of a struggle during his transition season, but he's still really smart and has loads of skill. I think he will figure it out and move up the rankings next season. I'd probably rank him right behind Wallinder.

 

[lilidk]

Berggren and AJ aged out.

But Soderblom not

 

[Frk It]

Wheeler is a waste of time. He still has left a lot passages he wrote for his pre-draft rankings in the current assessment. Like he writes about Cossa playing for Oil Kings making his assessment difficult despite the fact he played his last game for Oil Kings two seasons ago. Same for others - I'm sure I read that everybody in the Austrian Federation being excited about Kasper in every write-up about him starting with pre-draft. I'm not sure he actually follows anybody after the draft. In my opinion, Wheeler's write-ups are useless from information aspect as they are not up-to-date and also useless from entertainment angle since you are reading the same stuff several times.

Yeah, that whole model is a waste of time IMO.

I think it is unreasonable to ask one person to try to watch prospect's from every region and rank them. You are going to just spread yourself too thin. There is a reason teams have regional scouts, and I think the public scouting services that do it right divvy up duties similarly.

Then to ask that one person that is trying to watch prospects from all regions every year for the draft to also keep tabs on already drafted prospects? Just no shot they are going to be able to do all that well.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Really not a bold take considering he had ASP ranked #16 and Danielson ranked #20 in his final draft rankings for 2023.

He has discounted the game that Danielson plays pre-draft and it's not likely to change until 2028's article "the top 10 players I was wrong about in the 2023 draft" drops. He has only ever been able to highlight that he is prototypical size, works hard, skates well, plays 200 feet, and can be on the PK. He ignores the skill and shooting ability that he does display and says there is a good chance he tops out as a 3rd line center.

Spot on regarding Danielson. He is the antithesis of the small, flashy hands player that Wheeler gets off on. He also seems to cut and paste a lot of previous content.

 

[lilidk]

Spot on regarding Danielson. He is the antithesis of the small, flashy hands player that Wheeler gets off on. He also seems to cut and paste a lot of previous content.

Wheeler was high on Danielson before last draft

 

[schuelma24]

Wheeler was high on Danielson before last draft

I believe you’re thinking of Pronman.believe Wheeler had him in the late teens in his final ranking.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Reading Wheeler's prospect reports is pretty funny. He believes every single top prospect will be a 3rd liner or "has a chance to be a 5-6D". And this is with us ranked 2nd. lmao

 

[jaster]

Again I think we agree on 99%, that's why I lead with sorry!!!! I wasn't commenting on you per se, just on the subject and didn't know where best to do so. I only mentioned the ice cream guy because it is ridiculous and hilarious. Also I never said physics wasn't valid, just easy!! Because he obviously will not make it long term. But physics is a little more nuanced, not just force and inertia. That is why I mentioned Konstantinov, never never never as a direct comparison. If you read my text I was very careful to call Vladdy and outlier, thus hoping to avoid this sort of confusion.

It's all good, I don't mind discussing the topic. The nuances of physics certainly matter in the NHL as a whole, but I think less so when discussing an underweight prospect who definitely needs to get bigger and stronger in order to fully reach his potential. We're missing the forest for the trees when we're discussing ways in which him being undersized won't matter. It's not a crisis in terms of Mazur, but it's still a thing that is in play.

As for Mazur himself, I for one fully expect him to be a regular NHLer. How good he'll ultimately be I don't know, but I have him ranked as our #5 prospect, at least among skaters (I like both Cossa and Augustine, but goalies are weird and I have a hard time ranking them against skaters).

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Scott Wheeler is kind of a dick, tbh. IIRC he started as a writer for Toronto media so it's not surprising he is awful.

He did an AMA on Reddit over the summer where he says he values ceiling and "problem-solving" more than projectibility and floor. Must be why he is constantly wrong.

 

[19 for president]

This is what I got right now for rankings. Taking into consideration that I do lean a little bit more safe NHL potential than just pure upside. I also included Aljo because he has seen zero NHL games. Berggy I'd agree is graduated. He may be in the AHL but that is more a numbers game. The 18 below are who I look at as actually having legit NHL potential. Soderblom and below are right at the border.

1. Ed
2. Kasper
3. Danielson
4. ASP
5. Cossa
6. Augustine
7. Albert Johansson
8. Mazur
9. Wallinder
10. Buchelnikov
11. Buium
12. Lombardi
13. Anton Johansson
14. Savage
15. Soderblom
16. Hanas
17. Tuomisto
18. Viro

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

This is what I got right now for rankings. Taking into consideration that I do lean a little bit more safe NHL potential than just pure upside. I also included Aljo because he has seen zero NHL games. Berggy I'd agree is graduated. He may be in the AHL but that is more a numbers game. The 18 below are who I look at as actually having legit NHL potential. Soderblom and below are right at the border.

1. Ed
2. Kasper
3. Danielson
4. ASP
5. Cossa
6. Augustine
7. Albert Johansson
8. Mazur
9. Wallinder
10. Buchelnikov
11. Buium
12. Lombardi
13. Anton Johansson
14. Savage
15. Soderblom
16. Hanas
17. Tuomisto
18. Viro

I have Anton Johansson a little higher (11) but otherwise my list and yours are exactly the same order and names through 15th.

 

[schuelma24]

This is what I got right now for rankings. Taking into consideration that I do lean a little bit more safe NHL potential than just pure upside. I also included Aljo because he has seen zero NHL games. Berggy I'd agree is graduated. He may be in the AHL but that is more a numbers game. The 18 below are who I look at as actually having legit NHL potential. Soderblom and below are right at the border.

1. Ed
2. Kasper
3. Danielson
4. ASP
5. Cossa
6. Augustine
7. Albert Johansson
8. Mazur
9. Wallinder
10. Buchelnikov
11. Buium
12. Lombardi
13. Anton Johansson
14. Savage
15. Soderblom
16. Hanas
17. Tuomisto
18. Viro

Looks spot on to me - I'd probably switch Kasper and Danielson personally, but that's just my own opinion.

 

[RRhoads]

Emmitt Finnie should be in the top 15. Still 18 years old and has been pretty good since moving to wing.

 

[letsgowings9999]

I'd fit in andrew gibson in there and I think Nilsson's still has upside

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Emmitt Finnie should be in the top 15. Still 18 years old and has been pretty good since moving to wing.

I have a hard time making a case for Finnie in the top 15. Honestly I don't think Viro belongs there either. I would have Gibson and James above both.

 

[Oddbob]

Mazur leaving bodies behind, he may not be thicc enough for everbody but he is strong.
#24 Gavin White 6'1'' & 192 lbs
#26 Michael Karow 6'2'' & 201 lbs

Mazur 172 lbs, he's gonna put people through the boards if he gets extra 10.

Only problem with small guys playing so physically is eventually they usually end up hurt as that is lot of wear and tear on the body. Hope he can stay healthy can keep doing it.

if Mazur manages to hit 500 pounds with 0% body fat and also not lose any skating then look out NHL

Finally someone with sense!

 

[Oddbob]

This has gone on long enough. It’s time for someone to do the sane thing and subpoena his medical records in the interest of internet justice.

On it.



Oh wait, how do you hack computers again?

 

[SantosHalper]

Only problem with small guys playing so physically is eventually they usually end up hurt as that is lot of wear and tear on the body. Hope he can stay healthy can keep doing it.

Wear and tear happens to all sizes and shapes.

 

[RRhoads]

Need to move someone up, because the number of players with a chance to play in the NHL is getting ridiculous

 

[Gniwder]

I have a hard time making a case for Finnie in the top 15. Honestly I don't think Viro belongs there either. I would have Gibson and James above both.

And Cleveland above both of them as well.

 

[opivy]

Need to move someone up, because the number of players with a chance to play in the NHL is getting ridiculous

They're all assets; while my drive to see something amazing agrees - my pragmatic side side likes our wealth.

 

[lilidk]

Need to move someone up, because the number of players with a chance to play in the NHL is getting ridiculous

Berggren and Edvinsson only guys NHL fully ready

 

[RRhoads]

Berggren and Edvinsson only guys NHL fully ready

AlJo is ready. Maybe even more so than Ed.