Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion
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Henkka
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I dunno.
Was Yzerman or his scouting director Al Murray fired, when they drafted three busts on the 1st round at 2012-2013-2014 (Koekkoek, Drouin, DeAngelo) ?
Or was any of them fired after they extended the busts at 2016 & 2017 drafts with Brett Howden and Cal Foote ?
They started winning Cups after that bust drafting.
They got some pucks hit from lower rounds and rest was Yzerman doing his dominating trade-fest. Same has been happening at Detroit.
People's biggest problem in understanding things is overrating a value of a prospect and false belief that they are the only answer.
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Frk It
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If he didn't find Kucherov/Point to make up for those first round whiffs he may have well been fired. I don't think he has drafted nearly enough players with that type of profile or upside here in rounds 2-7 here after doing so in Tampa, and I couldn't tell you for the life of me why.
That said I think his use of his top pick has overall been better here with Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson.
I don't have any big objections with our first round drafting in the last five years. 2018 and to a lesser extent 2017 hurt, but I am largely happy with what we have done with our early first round picks.
Judging by his point totals and the 2 times I've seen him this year ... uhh stagnant at best?
RED WINGS STOMP
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He simply isn't aggressive enough for his skill level. I don't know how else to say it.
Killerjas
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Goodbye Tsar Tyut, it was fun watching you not to make any impact in the AHL
Henkka
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Everything went south after his injury. It looked good at the Redwood-line Still, his kind of guy is longer development project than anyone else.
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Killerjas
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More hyped about Augustine then Cossa to be honest
jaster
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Soderblom and big guys….
A common refrain is “he just looks slow because he’s so big.” It’s not entirely untrue, but that sentiment is often excusing a significant deficiency in the player. Despite his size, Soderblom has always lacked a solid sense of urgency in his play. A lack of aggressiveness in his battling for pucks and position. He just doesn’t engage enough. He’s got some Mantha in him.
A common refrain is “he just looks slow because he’s so big.” It’s not entirely untrue, but that sentiment is often excusing a significant deficiency in the player. Despite his size, Soderblom has always lacked a solid sense of urgency in his play. A lack of aggressiveness in his battling for pucks and position. He just doesn’t engage enough. He’s got some Mantha in him.
norrisnick
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I mean, he's a skill player. Expecting a no-skill motor in a skill guy isn't always going to happen.
Motor is "easier" to teach than skill, but by no means easy.
Not the same, but yes they both could stand to be more physically assertive.So he's Swedish Rasmussen?
I don’t think they will cut ties so soon with Soderblom. Guys his size will take more time to develop and they will give it to him. If he can turn it around he will become an enormous weapon
He isn't a skill player, which his why his style of play and assertiveness are issues. People need to be a bit more discerning in who they label as skill players. It will help them manage expectations. Just because you aren't a truly low skill fourth liner doesn't mean that you are actually a skill player by NHL (or even AHL) standards.
jaster
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He has nifty hands, but I'm not sure I'd call him a skill player. He's kind of a player without definition, and that's a part of the problem. He's trending towards being a one-dimensional, low-offense player who requires sheltered minutes. Which has very little value in the NHL, those guys are a dime a dozen.
As for the motor, I'm expecting an average one, if he is to become an NHLer. He is below that, regardless of his style, and that's the concern.
If he can't provide enough offense to be a top-6 guy, and can't use his size or have enough compete to be a Fischer-type on the 4th line, he's got to rise above the bevy of other 3rd-line types in the NHL, most of whom have a better motor than him.
jaster
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That's the hope, yeah. He'll be waiver exempt for about 21 more months, so we can continue to be patient with him.
norrisnick
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He's a skill player. He was top 10 in SHL goal-scoring the year before he came over. And he did that by being skillful not simply bulldozing guys with his size.
Is he an NHL level skill player? Not yet, if ever. But that doesn't mean he's anything other than what he is. A skill guy. People just can't get past the fact that he's got a foot and nearly 100lbs on some of the smaller guys in the league.
jaster
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If his motor isn't an issue, what is it he needs to work on to grab an NHL spot?
norrisnick
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jaster
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norrisnick
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You have no idea how much superlatives bother me.
But yeah... Soderblom's a guy that made it to the cusp of the NHL on the basis of skill and not hard work, whereas there are guys that make it to the cusp on the basis of hardwork with less skill. Until you get a base level of both, that last jump is nigh impossible. Unless you get lucky and land the 1-2 designated play chaser positions that coaches always seem to love. And then hustle is all you need regardless of the skill you may or may not have.
jaster
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I believe that superlatives are the biggest thing that bothers you.
Conversely, there are skill guys who make it with otherwise massive deficiencies in their game, but the skill is high enough to mitigate it. But I agree, a vast majority of the time, players need a requisite amount of both to make it in the NHL, at least long-term.
