Not at all, why wouldn't expectations be high? We've had top 10 picks, multiple other 1sts, tons of 2nds, so many draft picks. Expecting more than a few players to stand out is not unfair at all, this should be one of the best prospect pools.
Took exactly 2 seconds to prove you wrong.
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Rarely isn’t never. Over the last 5 years most rankings have put them around 5-7. I chose the top 4 because in a league with 30-32 teams that would safely include the top 10% of teams for prospect pools, which would firmly be the best prospect pools. The last paragraph though really undermines your whole point, but yes, they don’t have top end talent therefore they don’t usually get ranked as a top prospect pool a lot of the time. It’s funny how that works out.Took exactly 2 seconds to prove you wrong.
4th, this spring.2023 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 4 Detroit Red Wings
Detroit graduated only one player and added a strong 2022 draft class.
3rd, this summer.
Ranking NHL's best and worst prospect pools: Nos. 1-16
Here's how the top half of our NHL prospect pool rankings shake out.
Regardless, "top 4" is an arbitrary cutoff and the Wings prospect pool/U23 pool has rarely (if ever) been outside the top 10 in the last 5 years, and the vast majority of rankings have them top ~6 or so.
Why haven't they been higher? The obvious answer is lottery luck. A Connor Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson or other top 3 picks majorly influence these rankings as you can see in nearly every ranking. The team ahead of Detroit, by and large, have lottery (top 3) picks in their system.
Again, that's an arbitrary cutoff that you imposed. The statement was "one of the best". It's pretty fair to say a pool commonly ranked ~5-6, sometimes ranked ~3-4, and on rare occasions even higher can be considered one of the best.
You are creating a different discussion though. Again, expectations are too high given what the Wings are working with. If you expect both Danielson and ASP to do historic things, your expectations are too high. If you expect zero of Yzerman's top 10 picks to disappoint, your expectations are too high. If you expect Mazur (3rd round) and Lombardi (4th round) to both kill it in their first pro season... you guessed it, expectations too high.
Nope. The last time the board did a vote, Berggren was not considered a prospect.
No, you are the one twisting things here.
Drafting centers is hard on the whole but when you have years of top 10 and even top 5 picks the odds start to stack in your favor for finding the player you want. But years of drafting wingers too high and character first centers has left Detroit behind the 8 ball more than if they were just unlucky in the draft. That being said, scouting for premium positions outside of the first round hasn’t been good either so Detroit shouldn’t count on building most of a first line from 2nd round draft picks like TBL has.
Guess that depends on what you think of Dvorsky, Kulich, Geekie, Yager, Nazar, Poitras
When you actually look back at the top 10 picks, which started with Ras in 2017, we really didn't pass on any significantly better centers except for 2017 (where there is a clearly a number of centers taken shortly after Ras who are objectively better NHL players at the center position). I am not sure that simply being in the top 10 will give you access to a ton of center talent as you suggest.
You hated Geekie in his draft year and I don't think Danielson's D+1 is really looking too different from Geekie's D+1 season. Why the double standard? Dvorsky literally washed out of the SHL, something Kasper never did. Nazar is 5'9" (i.e. NOT A CENTER). Yes, Poitras is better than Kasper but everyone would be screaming about us going off of the board and ignoring consensus if we took him in the 1st.
I liked Geekie a ton, you must be thinking of Ogee.
You got me Frk It! Merry ChristmasI liked Geekie a ton, you must be thinking of Ogee.
Hopefully Nate bounces back in his +2 like Geekie did. I think I had a much better understanding of what kind of player Geekie is as opposed to Danielsson though.
I am just pointing out your claim that we didn't have the draft capital to do anything else other than what we did isn't exactly true... but you could certainly argue that some of those players only seem like good choices because of hindsight. I certainly had no clue Poitras was that good.
Who would you have drafted?
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Merry early Christmas, bud. I'll be curious to see your thoughts on this next draft because I won't have any time to watch junior aged hockey this year myself.
If you think Stanoven is gonna play C in the NHL I have a oceanfront condo for sale in Nebraska for you.
Hintz was a good pick.
