Confirmed with Link: Wings out of the bidding for Lecavalier, according to Khan (post #743)

[JmanWingsFan]

Eh... Good on faceoffs is iffy... dating back to 2001-02 he's a career .480 on the draw.

 

[GrindNMuck]

Eh... Good on faceoffs is iffy... dating back to 2002-03 he's a career .480 on the draw.

I don't think the wings will get him, but i am sure they will take a shot at him for cheap only. Due to the maybe loss of Filluppla, they will want to bring in someone like this. But it has been rumored that he wants to go to the Canadians.

 

[sepster]

When you consider the Wings 2nd line center options as Lecavalier, Weiss, Ribeiro or Flip... Damn. Go hard for Vinny, even less than his prime he's leaps and bounds better than the other 3.

 

[crashman]

When you consider the Wings 2nd line center options as Lecavalier, Weiss, Ribeiro or Flip... Damn. Go hard for Vinny, even less than his prime he's leaps and bounds better than the other 3.

I want nothing to do with Ribeiro. He's a punk.

 

[DetroitForever]

I'd take Vinny over Filp in a heartbeat. I always liked Filp but he never really produced like many thought he would, and turned out to be an above average NHL player. We need more flat-out scoring to make a push for the Cup again. Had we had that in the playoffs, the Blackhawks would certainly not be champions today.

Lecavalier is a proven top-six player, and would almost certainly be an excellent anchor on our second line. I'm excited about the prospect of picking him up, and it only helps that he idolized the Wings as a child.

 

[BSHH]

Historically, no 1st overall pick has ever fared well in Detroit, but I want Lecavalier to end this streak. While not overly fast, he may be the best UFA choice even with a $ 18m, three-year contract. I'd love to see the Red Wings add another very good player while Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still elite/world-class players.

I say let Montreal overpay for him. If we wanted a 2nd line center who could give us somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 points and mediocre to subpar defense, we might as well bring up Jarnkrok (Who's young and can actually get better, not worse).

Let Järnkrok score 40-50 AHL points in a season first, before he can dethrone Lecavalier. That would be still a nice development for him.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[sepster]

I want nothing to do with Ribeiro. He's a punk.

No doubt, that turd doesn't deserve to carry dirty jock straps for the Wings organization.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

Give Stevie some points for this, he's just become of age as a NHL GM.

Vinnie would look really good on one of our top two lines, but I have a feeling that there will be a Montreal/Toronto bidding war for his services. I believe Montreal will go all out for him.

On the other hand, it could be that Vinnie is attached to the Tampa area, and might be interested in a one year deal somewhere else in order to go back there when he can. That's where I could see the Red Wings coming into the picture.

I'm just worried that Vinnie now = Todd Bertuzzi, circa 2007

 

[FlashyG]

Different era of Hockey. Point still stands. If management thinks they have a guy that plays like Zetterberg, and mind you he's already been playing in a professional men's league and won a championship, then I think if he's given the right linemates he could pot 40 points.

Even if the Wings sign nobody and let Flip walk, Jarnkrok won't be playing for the Wings next year.

Sheahan and Ferraro would probably get a look at the NHL before he will unless Calle has some sort of incredible rookie camp.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Let's hope Kenny grows a pair and offers him a legitimate contract.

 

[sarcastro]

Eh... Good on faceoffs is iffy... dating back to 2001-02 he's a career .480 on the draw.

54% this past season.

48% the year before.

51% the year before.

53% the year before.

51% the year before.

Early in his career he was about a 42% faceoff man, which drags down your quoted stat. His faceoff % from 2003 means absolutely nothing today, however, and today he's a pretty good faceoff man. Not elite, but better than 50%. Solid.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

Even if the Wings sign nobody and let Flip walk, Jarnkrok won't be playing for the Wings next year.

Sheahan and Ferraro would probably get a look at the NHL before he will unless Calle has some sort of incredible rookie camp.

Judging by what I have read... If there's anyone in our system that could bypass the overripening process, it would be Jarnkrok and only Jarnkrok. They think he's realgud, and it's quite possible that if he puts on more muscle and catches Babcock's eye in camp, he could earn a spot.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

54% this past season.

48% the year before.

51% the year before.

53% the year before.

51% the year before.

Early in his career he was about a 42% faceoff man, which drags down your quoted stat. His faceoff % from 2003 means absolutely nothing today, however, and today he's a pretty good faceoff man. Not elite, but better than 50%. Solid.

Which is why I'm skeptical.

 

[ricky0034]

Which is why I'm skeptical.

wow.

 

[WingsOverAvs]

Judging by what I have read... If there's anyone in our system that could bypass the overripening process, it would be Jarnkrok and only Jarnkrok. They think he's realgud, and it's quite possible that if he puts on more muscle and catches Babcock's eye in camp, he could earn a spot.

Yup, Ive heard the same.....Jarnkork is the only prospect that has an outside shot to make the team out of camp

 

[Ennui]

Historically, no 1st overall pick has ever fared well in Detroit, but I want Lecavalier to end this streak. While not overly fast, he may be the best UFA choice even with a $ 18m, three-year contract. I'd love to see the Red Wings add another very good player while Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still elite/world-class players.



Let Järnkrok score 40-50 AHL points in a season first, before he can dethrone Lecavalier. That would be still a nice development for him.

Gruß,
BSHH

Good to hear someone else say it for once. Almost everywhere Jarnkrok is mentioned on the Wings board he is extolled as Zetterberg the 2nd. He has mighty big skates to fill, and has proven jack-all in terms of readiness for the North American game. He needs a year, maybe even two years in the AHL to develop further, and even though he has bulked up a bit from his previous welterweight status, he needs more muscle on him before anyone gives a serious thought to even calling him up to the big team for a game or two.

 

[sarcastro]

Which is why I'm skeptical.

This player must also be unacceptable to you, then:

Last 4 seasons:
48%
49%
52%
49%

And this player must be impossibly inept at the dot as well:

2002-03: 48%
2001-02: 48%

Those two players are Zetterberg and Datsyuk, by the way.

Lecavalier took 1162 faceoffs the year he won 48%. One more FO win every three games and he's a 50% faceoff man that season.

If this is the biggest nit you can pick about the guy, that should tell you what a good signing he would be.

edit - oh yeah, and he missed 18 games with a broken hand that season. So in seasons when he doesn't break his hand, he's well over 50%.

 

[Ennui]

I realized something that I felt might add fuel to the discussion around here, though I'm not sure whether it has been mentioned yet:

Detroit strikes me as having a leg-up over Montreal in terms of tie-breaking alluring qualities, in that the coaching staff and the system is already a proven quantity to Lecavalier; I'm fairly certain that Lecavalier has been part of the Canadian olympic teams that have been coached by Babcock, and the players of the Canadian olympic team give him rave reviews every chance they get. Not only is this team the team Lecavalier idolized as a youth, but it plays his style of hockey, and he and the coach are very familiar with each other.

A little strange to think about, but if he's looking for a team where he will feel "at home", I think he ends up picking the Wings.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

This player must also be unacceptable to you, then:

Last 4 seasons:
48%
49%
52%
49%

And this player must be impossibly inept at the dot as well:

2002-03: 48%
2001-02: 48%

Those two players are Zetterberg and Datsyuk, by the way.

Lecavalier took 1162 faceoffs the year he won 48%. One more FO win every three games and he's a 50% faceoff man that season.

If this is the biggest nit you can pick about the guy, that should tell you what a good signing he would be.

edit - oh yeah, and he missed 18 games with a broken hand that season. So in seasons when he doesn't break his hand, he's well over 50%.

Then I wouldn't say Zetterberg hasn't been very good at faceoffs either, even though he's been above average throughout his whole career (unlike Vinny). But I'm not judging Lecavelier solely on faceoffs. I have other reasons to be concerned about if I want to sign him for $5 Million/per and subsequently block Jarnkrok for longer than necessary.

 

[WingsOverAvs]

I realized something that I felt might add fuel to the discussion around here, though I'm not sure whether it has been mentioned yet:

Detroit strikes me as having a leg-up over Montreal in terms of tie-breaking alluring qualities, in that the coaching staff and the system is already a proven quantity to Lecavalier; I'm fairly certain that Lecavalier has been part of the Canadian olympic teams that have been coached by Babcock, and the players of the Canadian olympic team give him rave reviews every chance they get. Not only is this team the team Lecavalier idolized as a youth, but it plays his style of hockey, and he and the coach are very familiar with each other.

Point, Wings.

They do have that going for them.....but Vinny has a home in Montreal and since he'll be forced to uproot his family, he may opt for a seamless transition for their sake

 

[crashman]

I'm not 100% for signing Lecavalier, but I'm just happy that there's gonna be a decent amount of options at our disposal. I just hope Holland finds the right players for a good value, and actually does something positive without the same tired excuses.

 

[cupforwings09]

Honestly, I don't see him going to Montreal. He will have a ridiculous amount of pressure there compared to coming from Tampa Bay. I think the whole "play in your home town" thing is kind of overhyped. Players want to win more then anything. I think there are better options in the East. But I also do see Detroit as a legitimate contender to land him. A player like Vinny is exactly what we need.

 

[FlashyG]

Judging by what I have read... If there's anyone in our system that could bypass the overripening process, it would be Jarnkrok and only Jarnkrok. They think he's realgud, and it's quite possible that if he puts on more muscle and catches Babcock's eye in camp, he could earn a spot.

He has an outside chance should Helm still be hurt or if we let Flip go and don't replace him.

However, I just don't see there being even the slightest chance that with no experience playing the North American style of game, or on the smaller ice surface, he comes in and out produces Vincent Lecavalier.

If he comes over and is outstanding in camp, then we can put Emmerton and/or Andersson on waivers and send them to the minors if they clear. Otherwise Jarnkrok can play a season in Grand Rapids like the many prospects before him.

 

[Bench]

I'm trying not to be excited about Vinny, but it's hard. This is the first free agent I've been excited about since Suter and like Suter, I think the Wings will be on the short list.

 

[ricky0034]

I'm trying not to be excited about Vinny, but it's hard. This is the first free agent I've been excited about since Suter and like Suter, I think the Wings will be on the short list.

yeah at first I thought it was pretty unlikely but the more I read about the situation the more I change my mind on that

I still probably wouldn't call the Wings the "favorite" to land him but certainly a very legitimate shot