Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 6)

[windsor7]

Not a good game at all tonight! The drop pass on the PP...they can stick that up their ass. They need to find that sense of urgency and get some passes into the slot. Defense should be a glaring concern right now.

nothing new on the defense side of games...

 

[Cherrydon]

That sloppy play by the Spits carried through. JC rattled or frustrated after that 4th goal. The Petes out chanced us on our PP. Special teams for us were not Special. Sure we had 40 shots but most were outside with little second chances. All these fancy tip pass BS bit us in the ass. Good whooping was had by us as they pressed us all night exiting and we had no rhythm. Regroup quick. Bus ride to Ottawa is time to get back to playing basics and let our talent excel. Likely Onuska starts tomorrow now just to make a statement to the team.

 

[spits]

Not a good game at all tonight! The drop pass on the PP...they can stick that up their ass. They need to find that sense of urgency and get some passes into the slot. Defense should be a glaring concern right now.

Defense wasn't too bad, it was a 2-2 game until 10 minutes remaining. It was the special teams and lack of finish on scoring chances in my view. When they don't capitalize in scoring chances, they don't win.

 

[Cherrydon]

Not a good game at all tonight! The drop pass on the PP...they can stick that up their ass. They need to find that sense of urgency and get some passes into the slot. Defense should be a glaring concern right now.

My settements exactly. Well said.

 

[windsor7]

Defense wasn't too bad, it was a 2-2 game until 10 minutes remaining. It was the special teams and lack of finish on scoring chances in my view. When they don't capitalize in scoring chances, they don't win.

stick checks, lack of hitting. lack of coverage.
defense needs help.

 

[OHLTG]

The weird thing about the drop-pass on the PP is numerous teams do it, both in the O and NHL. The trick is to get that huge speed going with your trailer. If he's slow as snails, the D reads it, gets to the puck first, and can kill off a bunch of time.

 

[ohloutsider]

Spits have a target on them, top team so other teams want to show they are the top team. Pete's did that tonight. Out worked, out hustled the Spits all night. Spits had no answer and did not put in the effort. Pete's were the better team tonight and deserved the win.
Spits need to answer the bell because they are going to see more of the same tomorrow.

Go Spits Go!!!

 

[Travis Bickle 77]

The weird thing about the drop-pass on the PP is numerous teams do it, both in the O and NHL. The trick is to get that huge speed going with your trailer. If he's slow as snails, the D reads it, gets to the puck first, and can kill off a bunch of time.

You are right about the speed of the drop pass in regards to the trailer......but 9 times out of 10 in pro hockey the trailer works his way into the offensive zone right to left, not straight in, that method results in poke checks and offsides too much. It also causes turnovers that can result in break aways for the other teams forwards. Spits have to be more creative and lock down zone entry while on the PP.

 

[Cherrydon]

The weird thing about the drop-pass on the PP is numerous teams do it, both in the O and NHL. The trick is to get that huge speed going with your trailer. If he's slow as snails, the D reads it, gets to the puck first, and can kill off a bunch of time.

Yes it can work when quickly executed, the Spits however drop the puck blindly, sometimes 2 or 3 timed before moving out. The speed entering works when you have quick aggressive forchecking to draw the box deeper. Option then of dropping back to the point from the half wall. Maybe it is expecting ohl level players trying to execute an nhl plan. Need all 5 in sync. Good nhl teams pull it off but many struggle the same way. At least change it up a bit play to play. I hate watching our D exit our zone with speed sometimes at center ice and then stop and fluff it back with the drop pass often deep in our own zone leaves a forward to defend when screwed up which is often. Great PO and middle of the pack is only 2-3% points separating. Getting timely PP goals more important than 3-4 in a blowout game imo.

 

[ohloutsider]

Go Spits Go!!!

 

[SpitfireHabs1]

Just a bad Game all around. They played a solid first 20 and then after that it was the Shit show we have seen before. Costanzo was not great and the defense was even worse then the London game. Savard wants to play his run and gun kind of style and that's fine but against good complete teams like London, like the Pete's, and like the Upcoming 67's they can and will make you pay and the 67's IMO have a better all around team then us and if we get complacent a little that's all the 67's will need, Teams know if they shut down our offence that's all it will take because teams are almost curtain to get 3 or 4 against us. I'm Also not a Fan of Savard Switching up the lines every period it seems like, Since last year its rare if you see the same line combos consistently for this team, like there's no Chemistry being built between lines, Definitely not a fan of it and never have been, just like the Carousal in our net, No Confidence or momentum being gained doing your 1a and 1b garbage. Were supposed to be contending, how bout we build chemistry as a team and some confidence heading into playoffs. Just because a line has two bad shifts or a bad game doesn't mean you have to be so drastic and switch all the lines, like let these guys work out there kinks and grow as line mates and build that chemistry, He is doing favors giving Onuska chance after wasted chance how about we let some lines stick together.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Defense wasn't too bad, it was a 2-2 game until 10 minutes remaining. It was the special teams and lack of finish on scoring chances in my view. When they don't capitalize in scoring chances, they don't win.

For the most part I agree,definitely lost the special teams in this one,too bad both areas in the last 8 games or so pretty good,not last night, usually wont blame the goalie if 3 out of 5 are PP goals, didnt like the 3rd PP goal to make it 4-2 though,team or better yet the lines seemed out of sync in this one,team certainly much different on the road,then at home,10-0-0 at home,5-4-1 on the road
same number of games,1st loss for Costanzo in his last 7,teams 1st loss in regulation in the last 11,so criticism will be very limited from me,also 1st time Costanzo has allowed more then 3 in 6 starts only allowed 11 in previous 5.
Pretty sure Onuska gets the start tonight, would do it regardless of last night's outcome,back to Joey on Sunday afternoon at Kingston regardless of outcome tonight.
Ottawa looking for revenge after losing in Windsor earlier this season.

 

[ohloutsider]

Just a bad Game all around. They played a solid first 20 and then after that it was the Shit show we have seen before. Costanzo was not great and the defense was even worse then the London game. Savard wants to play his run and gun kind of style and that's fine but against good complete teams like London, like the Pete's, and like the Upcoming 67's they can and will make you pay and the 67's IMO have a better all around team then us and if we get complacent a little that's all the 67's will need, Teams know if they shut down our offence that's all it will take because teams are almost curtain to get 3 or 4 against us. I'm Also not a Fan of Savard Switching up the lines every period it seems like, Since last year its rare if you see the same line combos consistently for this team, like there's no Chemistry being built between lines, Definitely not a fan of it and never have been, just like the Carousal in our net, No Confidence or momentum being gained doing your 1a and 1b garbage. Were supposed to be contending, how bout we build chemistry as a team and some confidence heading into playoffs. Just because a line has two bad shifts or a bad game doesn't mean you have to be so drastic and switch all the lines, like let these guys work out there kinks and grow as line mates and build that chemistry, He is doing favors giving Onuska chance after wasted chance how about we let some lines stick together.

Ya I'm not in the room but line juggling every other shift has to be a nightmare for these kids. Too many men on the ice penalties are a direct result of that .

Before Wright got hurt the top line was Maggio, Harrison and Wright. They had like a billion points in the 8 games they played together before Wright got hurt. I saw that combo only once last night for a 30 second shift.

Wright made some nice passes to Abraham, I counted about 3 that Abraham did not finish on. Both Abraham and Wright a little rusty and having never played together both on the top line is a mystery.

A lot of passengers last night. Christopolous, Malliet and Peer were invisible and these seem to me to be the players that drive the bus. Without them going the bus never got out of first gear.

Any hope of finishing in first place has to start tonight and that is a tough ask heading into Ottawa.

Go Spits Go!!!

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Just a bad Game all around. They played a solid first 20 and then after that it was the Shit show we have seen before. Costanzo was not great and the defense was even worse then the London game. Savard wants to play his run and gun kind of style and that's fine but against good complete teams like London, like the Pete's, and like the Upcoming 67's they can and will make you pay and the 67's IMO have a better all around team then us and if we get complacent a little that's all the 67's will need, Teams know if they shut down our offence that's all it will take because teams are almost curtain to get 3 or 4 against us. I'm Also not a Fan of Savard Switching up the lines every period it seems like, Since last year its rare if you see the same line combos consistently for this team, like there's no Chemistry being built between lines, Definitely not a fan of it and never have been, just like the Carousal in our net, No Confidence or momentum being gained doing your 1a and 1b garbage. Were supposed to be contending, how bout we build chemistry as a team and some confidence heading into playoffs. Just because a line has two bad shifts or a bad game doesn't mean you have to be so drastic and switch all the lines, like let these guys work out there kinks and grow as line mates and build that chemistry, He is doing favors giving Onuska chance after wasted chance how about we let some lines stick together.

Savard isn't necessarily switching up lines he has always played with pairs or duos staying together. So he has 2 guys going if the 3rd isn't then he will give time to a guy who is going well to play with top guys. It's not a carousel in net they know they are going to need Onuska. Onuska was real good against London until the team wanted to start going off script and take chances. The funny thing is last night they continued to take chances. This has very little to do with goaltenders and more about their best players Maggio/Wright/Harrison being their best players night after night. I don't believe he's just giving Onuska chances he knows what he has in Costanzo and it's a goalie that has played a lot of minutes this year. He's had some very good games and some absolutely dreadful ones on the road.

 

[SpitfireHabs1]

I tend to think its a carousal but as I stated its just my opinion. It doesn't really matter if you have a good game or bad game at this point he just rotates the Goalies and the lines just to do it which is fine but the thing is 1 of are goalies is playing at least 75% of his games this year as a Jr. B Level goalie, my god Downey on a awful Erie team has played better and I think some of our promising goalies playing Jr. B right now could play close to or exceed his level of play most game nights. He has been rotating them as if this team was a rebuilding club just playing out the year and were not, we are in the hunt and going to blow Home Ice Advantage thru the conference. These are players careers and futures Savard is playing around with like a game of Chess and this is a top team in the best junior League in the world. Shouldn't Start O, just to start him, when all he has done is let in weak/deflating goals all season and 4+a game, like this isn't house league hockey. Start trusting your players more and Joey. Yes it would be nice for both goalies to be on top of there game but realistically we only need 1 goalie if that goalie can stay sharp and Healthy thru the playoffs, 1 goalie can steal games and a series, Look at Mikey Dipietro in the Mem cup a few years back for us . Defense has for sure been awful in most games this season, but its the same team in front of Both Netminders and sometimes you need the goalie to keep you in games when your getting outplayed, I don't know how much we have seen that from O, and there's a drastic difference in there numbers.

P.S: I DO Hope Onuska makes me eat my words tonight and plays a hell of a game Vs Ottawa. We need to see the light at the end of the tunnel with O I mean Savard cannot keep forcing this if he continues to have bad games.

Go Spitfires

 

[hockeylegend11]

Savard isn't necessarily switching up lines he has always played with pairs or duos staying together. So he has 2 guys going if the 3rd isn't then he will give time to a guy who is going well to play with top guys. It's not a carousel in net they know they are going to need Onuska. Onuska was real good against London until the team wanted to start going off script and take chances. The funny thing is last night they continued to take chances. This has very little to do with goaltenders and more about their best players Maggio/Wright/Harrison being their best players night after night. I don't believe he's just giving Onuska chances he knows what he has in Costanzo and it's a goalie that has played a lot of minutes this year. He's had some very good games and some absolutely dreadful ones on the road.

Razor

Stats dont back up your claim re Costanzo re dreadful games on the road,only 3 games in 18 starts has he allowed 5 or more goals in a game,and one of them was last night.
Should mention in 11 starts at home where he is 10-0-0-1,he has not allowed more then 4 goals in any 1 game.
Probably explains why he is 6th in the league in average at 3.12.
Onuska on the other hand has started only 10 games on the road,but has allowed 5 or more 5 times,and in 16 home game starts has allowed 5 or more 3 times.
8 times for Onuska overall,compared to 3 for Costanzo is a substantial difference and probably explains why Onuska is more then a goal more per game average then Costanzo.

 

[OHLTG]

Costanzo had a bad stretch last month where he allowed 15 goals in just a spit under 160 minutes. He's done much better since then, and is the better of the two goaltenders, but we can't ignore that stretch. That being said, Onuska is going to get some starts because they know what they COULD have in him and that's a solid 1B. If he gets his confidence and game to where it should be, it's arguable one of the best duos in the league. But, you'll never find out until you play him.

 

[Cherrydon]

Goals dried up last 3 games. 2.67 goals or won't cut it with team defense suspect all season. Can't blame goalies when you score 3 or less 3 games straight. Maggio's only 1 point (goal last night) in past 3. He's getting shots just not going recently as easy as they have. Combined with PP stalling and taking too many stupid penalties sums it up. Reduce the penalties, get Maggio's rolling and some timely PP goals we'd be fine. Hopefully we find that game tonight

 

[OMG67]

What’s going on with Wright. The lines on the OHL site don’t have him listed. He hasn’t played much overall. What’s going on?

 

[spits]

No Shane Wright tonight, this is starting to get ridiculous. First, he gets injured, misses some time, plays 1 period then misses another 3 weeks. Then he returns last night and is out again. Did we spend all those assets on someone who is barely going to play? My goodness.

 

[TheGremlin]

Costanzo had a bad stretch last month where he allowed 15 goals in just a spit under 160 minutes. He's done much better since then, and is the better of the two goaltenders, but we can't ignore that stretch. That being said, Onuska is going to get some starts because they know what they COULD have in him and that's a solid 1B. If he gets his confidence and game to where it should be, it's arguable one of the best duos in the league. But, you'll never find out until you play him.

Stop with this 1b crap. He has a below average back up numbers. The only way you can say a 1a or B is when they have the same type of numbers. If onuska is a 1B goalie that means we are in trouble cause Joey wouldn’t be very good. And we know Joey is pretty good.

 

[spits]

What’s going on with Wright. The lines on the OHL site don’t have him listed. He hasn’t played much overall. What’s going on?

Something we would all like to know. He was dealing with an ankle injury and by what many have said, he was cleared to play a while ago but the team was waiting on the green light from Seattle. He played last night and is out again. Who knows.

 

[OHLTG]

Can someone show me where it says he's not playing tonight? They don't come out with scratches until about an hour before game time.

As for what's been happening - he played well early, then got hurt (ankle). He healed up, played a game, realized he wasn't fully healed, and was sat. Multiple parties made that decision. He returned last night and had an assist.

That said... I'd rather he heal 100% and be dominant in the playoffs than play at 70% now and risk being sat come April or beyond.

 

[TheGremlin]

Razor

Stats dont back up your claim re Costanzo re dreadful games on the road,only 3 games in 18 starts has he allowed 5 or more goals in a game,and one of them was last night.
Should mention in 11 starts at home where he is 10-0-0-1,he has not allowed more then 4 goals in any 1 game.
Probably explains why he is 6th in the league in average at 3.12.
Onuska on the other hand has started only 10 games on the road,but has allowed 5 or more 5 times,and in 16 home game starts has allowed 5 or more 3 times.
8 times for Onuska overall,compared to 3 for Costanzo is a substantial difference and probably explains why Onuska is more then a goal more per game average then Costanzo.

You kinda backed up his claim as he only said he has had dreadful road game and you came and showed us 3. So he wasn’t wrong. And i don’t even know what you were trying to prove here.

 

[spits]

Can someone show me where it says he's not playing tonight? They don't come out with scratches until about an hour before game time.

As for what's been happening - he played well early, then got hurt (ankle). He healed up, played a game, realized he wasn't fully healed, and was sat. Multiple parties made that decision. He returned last night and had an assist.

That said... I'd rather he heal 100% and be dominant in the playoffs than play at 70% now and risk being sat come April or beyond.

It's on the OHL site, shows starting lines. Click the small "vis' font on the preview page here

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