Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 6)

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No Shane Wright tonight, this is starting to get ridiculous. First, he gets injured, misses some time, plays 1 period then misses another 3 weeks. Then he returns last night and is out again. Did we spend all those assets on someone who is barely going to play? My goodness.

Not surprised to hear this. They probably wanted to see how his ankle reacted after the game yesterday. Wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. Have him play Sunday where he played for a few years in Kingston. They have 4 sets/5 sets of back to backs depending how you view their 3 in 3. Wouldn't be surprised if he played Mar 2nd against London, rested Mar 3rd against Flint and played Mar 4th against Sarnia. What matters more is game 1 of the playoffs.
 
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Not surprised to hear this. They probably wanted to see how his ankle reacted after the game yesterday. Wouldn't be surprised if this was the plan all along. Have him play Sunday where he played for a few years in Kingston. They have 4 sets/5 sets of back to backs depending how you view their 3 in 3. Wouldn't be surprised if he played Mar 2nd against London, rested Mar 3rd against Flint and played Mar 4th against Sarnia. What matters more is game 1 of the playoffs.
I think that's absurd, to be honest. Is this a Kawhi Leonard maintenance day type thing? They spent big assets to get him and he's only going to play games 'here and there'. You didn't see that with McTavish last year. Totally ridiculous and a waste of assets if he's only going to play select games. Attempting to get 1st in the conference matters just as much as game 1 of the playoffs. Would you rather play Saginaw or Sarnia in round two?
 
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It's on the OHL site, shows starting lines. Click the small "vis' font on the preview page here

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Thanks. I don't know why he's not listed; maybe it's something unrelated. Hopefully more light will be shed closer to game time.

I think that's absurd, to be honest. Is this a Kawhi Leonard maintenance day type thing? They spent big assets to get him and he's only going to play games 'here and there'. You didn't see that with McTavish last year. Totally ridiculous and a waste of assets if he's only going to play select games. Attempting to get 1st in the conference matters just as much as game 1 of the playoffs. Would you rather play Saginaw or Sarnia in round two?

The beauty thing about this Spits team is you don't NEED him right now. They're scoring at an insane clip without him. I'd be awesome if he was in the lineup every night, but I'd rather him be healthy for when he's truly needed than risk injuring anything worse.
 

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I think that's absurd, to be honest. Is this a Kawhi Leonard maintenance day type thing? They spent big assets to get him and he's only going to play games 'here and there'. You didn't see that with McTavish last year. Totally ridiculous and a waste of assets if he's only going to play select games. Attempting to get 1st in the conference matters just as much as game 1 of the playoffs. Would you rather play Saginaw or Sarnia in round two?
Doesn't matter to me. Sarnia is still fighting with Sarnia for a 3 seed so maybe Windsor faces Saginaw then.... What will likely decide 1st seed is the 3 remaining games against London if you get 4 out of 6 you're right there, if you get 5 points out of 6 I would put odds on being #1 seed and same if you swept. Yes making sure Shane Wright is ready to go last week of March for the playoffs is paramount and more so than a game late February against Ottawa (nothing against Ottawa).
 

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Doesn't matter to me. Sarnia is still fighting with Sarnia for a 3 seed so maybe Windsor faces Saginaw then.... What will likely decide 1st seed is the 3 remaining games against London if you get 4 out of 6 you're right there, if you get 5 points out of 6 I would put odds on being #1 seed and same if you swept. Yes making sure Shane Wright is ready to go last week of March for the playoffs is paramount and more so than a game late February against Ottawa (nothing against Ottawa).
I disagree, if you lose tonight you're two points back of London with them having 1 game in hand, they win the game in hand, you're 4 points back of London. This is a big game where Wright is needed. I know Sunday is against his former team, but that would be the game where you sit Wright as Kingston is not a good team.
 
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Stats dont back up your claim re Costanzo re dreadful games on the road,only 3 games in 18 starts has he allowed 5 or more goals in a game,and one of them was last night.
Should mention in 11 starts at home where he is 10-0-0-1,he has not allowed more then 4 goals in any 1 game.
Probably explains why he is 6th in the league in average at 3.12.
Onuska on the other hand has started only 10 games on the road,but has allowed 5 or more 5 times,and in 16 home game starts has allowed 5 or more 3 times.
8 times for Onuska overall,compared to 3 for Costanzo is a substantial difference and probably explains why Onuska is more then a goal more per game average then Costanzo.
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Stats dont back up your claim re Costanzo re dreadful games on the road,only 3 games in 18 starts has he allowed 5 or more goals in a game,and one of them was last night.
Should mention in 11 starts at home where he is 10-0-0-1,he has not allowed more then 4 goals in any 1 game.
Probably explains why he is 6th in the league in average at 3.12.
Onuska on the other hand has started only 10 games on the road,but has allowed 5 or more 5 times,and in 16 home game starts has allowed 5 or more 3 times.
8 times for Onuska overall,compared to 3 for Costanzo is a substantial difference and probably explains why Onuska is more then a goal more per game average then Costanzo.

Context matters and it was posted earlier about strength of competition thru the 1st half of the season plus, so I'm not sure how effective the stats posted support your position. Maybe they do or don't but the deeper dive is never included in the stats review. The context of strength of opponents was detailed, posted and important IMO to the analysis.
I will defer to the nuetral and knowledgeable fans/posters here, as they have seen both play often. They agree JC has been better, but stats need context when defending a position and aren't the be all all and end all.
Again those posters I referenced say JC is the better option. And are probly right. I am on record as saying it'll work itself out and I believe Savard will pick the best option when push comes to shove in the POs.
But in isolation stats mean little without context.
Savard has done a very solid job the last year plus pushing the right buttons. And I think it'll continue.
 

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You kinda backed up his claim as he only said he has had dreadful road game and you came and showed us 3. So he wasn’t wrong. And i don’t even know what you were trying to prove here.
Reread his post,he said some not one,and 3 out of 18 is hardly worth mentioning, and when one looks at the whole body of work road and at home,Costanzo has been outstanding, youngest goalie in top 10 according to league stats works for me.
 

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No Shane Wright tonight, this is starting to get ridiculous. First, he gets injured, misses some time, plays 1 period then misses another 3 weeks. Then he returns last night and is out again. Did we spend all those assets on someone who is barely going to play? My goodness.
My thoughts exactly. I was never excited about this trade. I was no fan of his since the NHL draft and never thought he was as big of a deal as he made himself out to be. He should not have been name Captain of Team CAnada and he wasn’t all that hot at the World Juniors. The Spits have (had) been doing well without him. I just never got the feeling he’s 100% “in” with the Spits.
 

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My thoughts exactly. I was never excited about this trade. I was no fan of his since the NHL draft and never thought he was as big of a deal as he made himself out to be. He should not have been name Captain of Team CAnada and he wasn’t all that hot at the World Juniors. The Spits have (had) been doing well without him. I just never got the feeling he’s 100% “in” with the Spits.
I think he's a good player, but the fact he has now twice returned from injury for just 1 game and is out again has me wondering if we got totally taken to the cleaners on this trade. What really is going on here?
 

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I would be interested in both goaltenders' home/away splits. Just for information purposes.
Costanzo is 10-0-0-1 at home
Onuska is 11-3-2-0 at home
Costanzo is 11-5--0-0 on the road
Onuska is 4-4-2-0 on the road.
Should mention Onuska has been pulled 5 times this season and replaced by Costanzo, 2 on the road,3 at home.
Costanzo has been pulled once this season -1 on the road at Oshawa,replaced by Michelone, then Michelone got pulled end of 2nd and replaced by Costanzo.
 
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I feel the spits are the Underdogs in this game, both have been top teams in there conference all season But Ottawa has the home ice advantage also is a strong all around team and the Spitfires have more holes in there game and Wright also out again which is dreadful, at this point just sit the kid until playoffs, no point on messing with his future career or are investment in the trade, we got him for this championship run and if it's to the point he keeps tweaking it, screw the day to day status BS and rehab, rest it, work out and strengthen the injury site and be at peak performance come playoffs when we really need him.

I guess today this team will either come out play a full 60 minute 200 foot game and step up to the plate after a tough game in Peterborough or were going to be Humbled by a great Ottawa team tonight, let's see what version of the Spitfires we see tonight.

Go Spits Go!!!
 

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Costanzo is 10-0-0-1 at home
Onuska is 11-3-2-0 at home
Costanzo is 11-5--0-0 on the road
Onuska is 4-4-2-0 on the road.
Should mention Onuska has been pulled 5 times this season and replaced by Costanzo, 2 on the road,3 at home.
Costanzo has been pulled once this season -1 on the road at Oshawa,replaced by Michelone, then Michelone got pulled end of 2nd and replaced by Costanzo.

I'm also interested in SV%, GAA, and opponents. If you win 8-7 but allow 7G on 28 shots... it's a W but a really bad one. Just like a 2-1 loss where you stop 40 of 42 is a really good game, but a L regardless.
 
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I feel the spits are the Underdogs in this game, both have been top teams in there conference all season But Ottawa has the home ice advantage also is a strong all around team and the Spitfires have more holes in there game and Wright also out again which is dreadful, at this point just sit the kid until playoffs, no point on messing with his future career or are investment in the trade, we got him for this championship run and if it's to the point he keeps tweaking it, screw the day to day status BS and rehab, rest it, work out and strengthen the injury site and be at peak performance come playoffs when we really need him.

I guess today this team will either come out play a full 60 minute 200 foot game and step up to the plate after a tough game in Peterborough or were going to be Humbled by a great Ottawa team tonight, let's see what version of the Spitfires we see tonight.

Go Spits Go!!!
That's what Wright has been doing this whole time. From what I understand it wasn't a serious injury and he was strengthening it this entire time. They got the green light from Seattle who was being cautious. They were being cautious the first time and extra cautious the second time and he injures it again?


Savard just stated it was a bit of 'load management' but didn't expand. Something about this is just odd.
 

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"Slight lower body injury... they're being careful with him. Load management day. You could see him Sunday afternoon against his old club in Kingston."

- Beller just now. Tells me it's a "being careful not to screw it up" thing. Do I like it? No. Is it better than alternatives? Yes.
 

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"Slight lower body injury... they're being careful with him. Load management day. You could see him Sunday afternoon against his old club in Kingston."

- Beller just now. Tells me it's a "being careful not to screw it up" thing. Do I like it? No. Is it better than alternatives? Yes.
That really sucks, spent all those assets to get him and he's on a 'load management' against the best team in the OHL. Bowler was better off spending those assets on a shut down d-man instead. We got ripped off.
 
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That really sucks, spent all those assets to get him and he's on a 'load management' against the best team in the OHL. Bowler was better off spending those assets on a shut down d-man instead. We got ripped off.

We gave up one player and a bunch of future picks... and the goal is to win the title, not a game in late February. IF he's still out come mid-March and beyond, then I'll start to get annoyed. This team was built to score and they've done just fine without him.
 

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"Slight lower body injury... they're being careful with him. Load management day. You could see him Sunday afternoon against his old club in Kingston."

- Beller just now. Tells me it's a "being careful not to screw it up" thing. Do I like it? No. Is it better than alternatives? Yes.
load management blows
not what people want to see.
 
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I'm also interested in SV%, GAA, and opponents. If you win 8-7 but allow 7G on 28 shots... it's a W but a really bad one. Just like a 2-1 loss where you stop 40 of 42 is a really good game, but a L regardless.

Quality scoring chances against also should be considered as well as opponents.
Agreed thou a goalie can get a W or L in spite of individual performance but basic/simple stats need context.

This is olin redponse to other posts.....notvthe one quoted.......As far as Wright goes I get the frustration but the goal is PO success not reg season. They are set as a top 2 seed.
And when they traded for him the org. knew Seattle would be the ones making decisions IF an injury happened and unfortunately it did. I can't blame Seatltle for wanting to be in control of the process as TG n others have mentioned. Ya pay a big price ( i think the cost will be more accurately sssessed in the off season) ya roll the dice.
He is a big investment. I think Razor might be correct with the plan was caution, play a game, rest n evaluate and then play it by ear.
His long term goal isnt Spits success unfortunately, it's NHL success. I hope he is back n healthy soon thou. He will help the team.
 
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Spitfires have now surrendered 8 unanswered goals. This team sucks. Beats the bad teams but can't beat the good teams. Ottawa might score 10 tonight.
 
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