Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 7)

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rve24

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And what OHL team do u root for?
Only asking because your very 1st post unless you changed your handle can be interpreted note said can be interpreted inflammatory or provocative in nature.
Myself I care and root for one team Windsor, everyone else while I wish no harm not.

Again not dealing with the context of the post you responded to.
All good to be a fan of a team but when you apply differing criteria for measures of success it will called out. It looks petty JMO.
And when you attack everyone who is also a Spits fan in the way you do for any thoughts you dont share, it also looks.......
Hopefulness and telling people they are wrong are different.
We get your a superfan and gloss over any shortcoming even in contradiction of your own posts from team to team or Spits from year to year, but it really can't be taken as anything but biased, selective and irrevelant.
Be a superfan, most will applaud it, try n be the thought police or shoot any1 who dare questions.........
 
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Many here are stunned and have no clue what happened. I've talked to a few people already today who want a coaching change. Maggio did nothing, honestly looked like a rookie, he dominated games in the regular season but was basically invisible the whole series. He was invisible in last year's playoffs as well. Kitchener played 4 perfect games but that's no excuse. They couldn't generate any offense, and the coaching made no chang,es to the breakout, PP, PK, defensive zone coverage, nothing.

It is interesting that a division or conference or even a league championship has meaning only when achieved by your team, but anything less than a Memorial Cup championship is insignificant for all other teams.
League championship means more to me than mem cup
 

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Really have my doubts about this story. Sounds a little gossipy. Where is the source? Wright probably didn't know a lot about any of the Spit players and I am sure the GM wouldn't let a player they traded for come in and stir the pot. Just doesn't make sense. The Spitfires are a class organization and would never allow this to happen. Takes a team effort to win a series.
Considering Wright and Peer played minor pee wee on the same team.
 

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Really have my doubts about this story. Sounds a little gossipy. Where is the source? Wright probably didn't know a lot about any of the Spit players and I am sure the GM wouldn't let a player they traded for come in and stir the pot. Just doesn't make sense. The Spitfires are a class organization and would never allow this to happen. Takes a team effort to win a
Although totally irrelevant, I am a Knights fan, but more importantly I am a big supporter of CHL hockey as well as all other forms of minor hockey,( including on so many evenings) my beloved TML. The vast majority of players in the CHL are good kids that are extremely dedicated both on and off the ice. We, as fans, are blessed to be entertained by them. I think personal and especially team successes should be celebrated by the players and their teams. These players are minors for most of their careers and I just feel that we should recognize accomplishments and tone down the negativity. As a parent and as a fan, I can be frustrated or disappointed from time to time in my "kids" but I will always love support and respect them. I believe that good natured ribbing between fan bases should be fun and entertaining. At the end of the day its about our teams and the players and not about us. No disrespect intended.
So true. I would hate to be judged on all my successes or failures before I even turned 21. Yes, fans pay to watch and it’s a (ruthless) business but it is a development league and sometimes they fall flat. But most of them have incredible heart and determination. And Spits gave fans a great regular season. So critique fair but I agree it’s about them not us. Thanks for posting this.
 

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So true. I would hate to be judged on all my successes or failures before I even turned 21. Yes, fans pay to watch and it’s a (ruthless) business but it is a development league and sometimes they fall flat. But most of them have incredible heart and determination. And Spits gave fans a great regular season. So critique fair but I agree it’s about them not us. Thanks for posting this.
This is something fans forget. These kids are giving up a lot of time entertaining crowds in rinks around the OHL. Most have school and daily practices plus they are under some sort of curfew. They also have community assignments. In the end everyone of them will say how great the fan base is and the atmosphere in their barn in particular. STH and walk ups that attend games in the regular season want to see decent hockey and the Spits supplied that in droves this year. Wright is taking it on the chin in the media for the Spits loss by a lot of so call "reputable sources". You know the old saying about walking a mile in someone else's moccasins. We all like to be armchair GMs and coaches but I an old coot like me is last person in the world to give advice about hockey. I do fling a lot of BS at the barn door. Most see through it.:)
 

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League championship means more to me than mem cup
I agree. It takes twelve wins to win a championship and only one win to win the Memorial Cup. In the Memorial Cup you need to win two or three games to advance to the final and it comes done to a one game showdown for the Memorial Cup. A league championship is more indicative of a team’s success.
 

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I agree. It takes twelve wins to win a championship and only one win to win the Memorial Cup. In the Memorial Cup you need to win two or three games to advance to the final and it comes done to a one game showdown for the Memorial Cup. A league championship is more indicative of a team’s success.
16 wins to win a championship
 

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The memorial cup is like the Stanley cup as far as prestige. You win your last game of the year to win it. League championships are great but you lose your last games in the mem cup and that stings. League championships are only touted by players and teams who went on to lose the mem cup. Is it a success, yes but not the end anyone truly desires. Same in NHL. Western conference and Eastern conference title banners are meaningless and players seldom touch those trophies unless they have to for the league required photo being presented the trophy. Lose game 7 in the cup finals and your team gets forgotten in History long term.
 

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I agree. It takes twelve wins to win a championship and only one win to win the Memorial Cup. In the Memorial Cup you need to win two or three games to advance to the final and it comes done to a one game showdown for the Memorial Cup. A league championship is more indicative of a team’s success.
It takes 16 wins to win the league championship. Same as the Stanley Cup. The Memorial Cup is just a final tournament that is held after the leagues have decided their championship. For me it stands as a separate tournament and has merit as a stand alone but should not be tied into league success. A big accomplishment to win it but does not trump the value of a league champ. Imho anyway.
 

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This is something fans forget. These kids are giving up a lot of time entertaining crowds in rinks around the OHL. Most have school and daily practices plus they are under some sort of curfew. They also have community assignments. In the end everyone of them will say how great the fan base is and the atmosphere in their barn in particular. STH and walk ups that attend games in the regular season want to see decent hockey and the Spits supplied that in droves this year. Wright is taking it on the chin in the media for the Spits loss by a lot of so call "reputable sources". You know the old saying about walking a mile in someone else's moccasins. We all like to be armchair GMs and coaches but I an old coot like me is last person in the world to give advice about hockey. I do fling a lot of BS at the barn door. Most see through it.:)

Absolutely. TY for the post.

Having previously worked with competitive teams (U16AAA, U18AAA, Jr B/C) it's awesome to see the dedication most have and their appreciation for where they are while chasing the dream. They have a ton of external pressures as well. It's why I'm more a fan of the game now as opposed to a singular narrow focused fan of of a team.
 
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It takes 16 wins to win the league championship. Same as the Stanley Cup. The Memorial Cup is just a final tournament that is held after the leagues have decided their championship. For me it stands as a separate tournament and has merit as a stand alone but should not be tied into league success. A big accomplishment to win it but does not trump the value of a league champ. Imho anyway.
In my opinion they need to change the Memorial Cup format. They need to get rid of the round robin portion and instead have a format to start in which the host league champion plays the lower seed champion and the higher seed champion plays yet host non champion in a best of three series. The winners of those would play a best three series to determine the Memorial Cup Champion.
 

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League championships are only touted by players and teams who went on to lose the mem cup.
Incorrect. I had the pleasure of working with a few players from the Knights 2005 team who said otherwise. League Championship was primary focus. Memorial Cup was a bonus.
 

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If you asked 6000 ohl fans coming into any ohl arena point blank, what is the name of the OHL league championship trophy?? I guarantee 80-90 % would not know it is the J. Ross Robertson cup without looking it up.
That's on the fans, not how the people involved in the game may look at it. It's all good we all having our measuring sticks. And I appreciate yours.
Seemingly most posts here by fans, value the marathon of a league championship higher than the final tourney. Win both, and even better.
The NCAA has proven over n over the best team doesn't always win and it probly is the most popular post league finals tourney around.
It's entertainment for us fans and we can all place value on what we deem important. It's the ones that flip flop that are interesting and I doubt you do that.
Spits had a great reg. season and I'd consider that part awesome if a fan of the team.
 

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Following from a distance I hear the rumblings and where the balme lies. Everyone needs to take some of the blame, but bringing in a "superstar" doesn't always work. In the case of this "superstar" he has a habit of dividing a room. He accomplished this when he got to windsor, he took 10 of the guys out for steak dinner. Didn't iclude Maggio or Peer to name a couple. Mostly GTHL guys were in attandance. Maggio was your superstar not Wright.
Unless you have source info, I think this is irresponsible to post and try to place blame on one person for issues. As someone who does have source info (but not to Wright), Wright did not do this or anything else to divide locker room. In fact, he did some things that were super nice like helping rookies w equipment unpacking and players said he was quiet but nice guy. If anything there may have been dynamics between older players but no one

Having said that I do know locker room never same after all the trades and giving up so many future draft picks. Why that is, even the players don’t fully know why. I do know that locker room wasn’t as cohesive/fun after trades because team was really bonded in a way I haven’t seen a lot in my many years. It was across age groups. 05s had developed really good relationships with older players especially after such a long run last season. 06s were getting acclimated. The build versus buy and always have a strong team mentality BB preached was something guys could get behind for their own development. Obviously older guys aren’t going to care about rookies or future draft picks or others being traded if they can win, but while fans were all excited, there was noise in locker about who was traded and what was left for future. Whether that had any impact is anyone’s guess.

My guess: yes to some extent. That’s I guess why I believe in strategy of build versus buy and development. Plug some holes but don’t decimate an entire year of very young talent (1st 2nd and 4th round picks just a year ago) and then trade away all your picks for next couple of years. 06s are great but already impacted by injuries and they are not ready to help carry team next year. So that can hurt them. Example: Greentree stats great but it will be interesting to see how he does once he doesn’t have a 1st line of NHL draft choices to carry him. How will Spallacy due after months of injuries? How will Cristoforo do when he doesn’t have as many strong forwards keeping it in O zone?

When 05s got moved to weaker teams in Kingston and Niagara all were impacted. Miedema got moved and his stats suffered big time. Ride and O’Flaherty got hosed because even though savard didn’t play early season stats showed real promise based on what I saw. Idk if the three of them would have been good or not but they were all huge guys and ride and O’Flaherty were physical, which Windsor desperately needs. All well respected guys. So why trade that all away in Jan and leave no 05s for future? Why not trade for D or a goalie instead? Offense was NOT Winsdsor’s issue since day 1. And Miedema was 4th round pick in entire draft. If he didn’t perform then I also place blame on coaching. It’s not often draft lines up that you get a 4th pick.

From what I’ve seen Savard isn’t about development at all and that isn’t the right leadership for an OHL league. Seems to overplay his top players just to pad his stats and wins to move on to next best thing. Just watch games this and last year where we were winning by many goals and he’d continue to rotate top lines to point of being ridiculous. Recruiting will suffer as guys talk. If I was an 07 or 08, I’d think hard about going to a team that just traded away its entire 2nd year group to get knocked out in first round. Clearly no loyalty, something wrong with coaching or mgt etc. or whatever conclusion is drawn, it won’t be positive. So if they have options, they might decide to pass on Windsor. That sucks for Windsor and fans.



But as we all know, hockey is a business. If they treat it like such, Windsor will regroup, make some coaching changes or otherwise and will recruit in another group of kids to play. One thing we know is there is always another player they can recruit or call up. May be a tough few years perhaps.
 

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Incorrect. I had the pleasure of working with a few players from the Knights 2005 team who said otherwise. League Championship was primary focus. Memorial Cup was a bonus.
Of course it is a primary focus to win the championship as it is necessary step to earn your spot unless you are a host team. Ask those same players if they lost the memorial and it leaves an unfinished taste in thier mouths.
 
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The memorial cup is like the Stanley cup as far as prestige. You win your last game of the year to win it. League championships are great but you lose your last games in the mem cup and that stings. League championships are only touted by players and teams who went on to lose the mem cup. Is it a success, yes but not the end anyone truly desires. Same in NHL. Western conference and Eastern conference title banners are meaningless and players seldom touch those trophies unless they have to for the league required photo being presented the trophy. Lose game 7 in the cup finals and your team gets forgotten in History long term.
You are still a league champion if you lose in the Memorial Cup. It’s not like losing in the conference finals of the NHL. People definitely remember who wins the league every year even though it is disappointing to lose in the Memorial Cup.

What’s forgettable to me is when the host wins the Memorial Cup. Sure you won the games but you also lost in your own league playoffs.
 
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You are still a league champion if you lose in the Memorial Cup. It’s not like losing in the conference finals of the NHL. People definitely remember who wins the league every year even though it is disappointing to lose in the Memorial Cup.

What’s forgettable to me is when the host wins the Memorial Cup. Sure you won the games but you also lost in your own league playoffs.
Are we poking at the 2017 cup lol. You say it is forgettable but sure remembered to mention it.
 

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You are still a league champion if you lose in the Memorial Cup. It’s not like losing in the conference finals of the NHL. People definitely remember who wins the league every year even though it is disappointing to lose in the Memorial Cup.

What’s forgettable to me is when the host wins the Memorial Cup. Sure you won the games but you also lost in your own league playoffs.
It is still an accomplishment to beat all the other league champs in THAT tournament. But it is only a tournament win. The league championship is still a much harder and bigger accomplishment to win.

If they played the Memorial Cup in the middle of the year similar to the WJT it would then become a stand alone win not linked as it has been to the league finals and for some reason though to be a final championship series, which it is not.
 

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It's funny how it is referred to as a league championship on this blog and by the majority of paying fand and not winning the J Ross Robertson cup. Proves my point 👉
 
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