Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 7)

[windsor7]

Those can be included, too. There are lots of stats that go well with returning goals.

U can move the goal posts many ways..

 

[OMG67]

An excellent thread here by Brock Otten:



Although the Spits will NOT be trying to content next season. No matter how good the team is, they’re forced to sell because of the buy this year.

Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong.

Ottawa is in the same situation/

 

[ohloutsider]

Can we review returning+/- Can we review returning PP goals for and against? I could keep listing things but it is meaningless as soon the trade deadline opens in June and the dynamic of the team is potentially changed. Why even bother in April? Maybe look at this in October or does anyone really care about these numbers in October?

FWIW I'm not really a fan of stat chat. Carry on.

 

[ip4982s]

At best Returning Goals shows potential, nothing more.


Nowhere did I question the heart or desire of the Spits. I said they didnt skate. Stop painting your bias on a factual statement.

I get your point. I think of skating hard in playoffs as synonymous with heart. No bias intended.

 

[Purple Phart]

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

Context matters ! Of those "returning goals" how many were by players on an "elite line" who graduated the other 2 players ? Can the remaining player achieve their previous season's output, or was that largely dependant on those linemates they'll no longer have ? Huge question mark IMHO. Do you count goals by a player returning from a season-ending medical issue ? Will they be able to return to form, or better ? Again, big question mark , in fact too many to be a reliable indicator IMHO.

 

[dmead]

I get your point. I think of skating hard in playoffs as synonymous with heart. No bias intended.

No worries friend.

 

[rve24]

Interesting you didn't comment on Brock Otten 's twitter regarding Windsor for next season,lines up with mine,check it out,u claim to fair prove it.

What? Keep reaching n hoping for cred lol. Didn't see it. But ok keep pivoting, shifting,.......
Avoidance is your schtik.
Are you saying you are as insightful regarding Jr hockey as Brock Otten? One has respect on HF, one........well I won't stoop to publicly posting it.
Keep patting yourself on the back lol.

And if you slowed down and read posts instead of looking for reasons to attack I'm pretty sure I applauded the aggressive nature of teams management that are aggressive when the Spits went all in at the deadline on here AND also posted here today that I don't think they are in terrible shape and can flip it quick.
Again spinning n shifting with no logic behind it. No idea what point your post was trying prove but have at it.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Context matters ! Of those "returning goals" how many were by players on an "elite line" who graduated the other 2 players ? Can the remaining player achieve their previous season's output, or was that largely dependant on those linemates they'll no longer have ? Huge question mark IMHO. Do you count goals by a player returning from a season-ending medical issue ? Will they be able to return to form, or better ? Again, big question mark , in fact too many to be a

Context matters ! Of those "returning goals" how many were by players on an "elite line" who graduated the other 2 players ? Can the remaining player achieve their previous season's output, or was that largely dependant on those linemates they'll no longer have ? Huge question mark IMHO. Do you count goals by a player returning from a season-ending medical issue ? Will they be able to return to form, or better ? Again, big question mark , in fact too many to be a reliable indicator IMHO.

In Windsor's case as Brock Otten noted 7 players in Windsor's top 10 scoring are expected to return and beside Maggio were leading the team in scoring before Harrison and Wright got there,plus the 2 leading dman in scoring points are returning as well Dionicio and Christoforo, toss in great rookies like Greentree and Spellacy , Abraham who missed 41 games is expected to return fully healthy and he had 35 points in 27 games and rarely played with Maggio,and was barely there to play when Harrison and Wright were here.
As I wrote earlier I agree with Otten's position re Windsor and their scoring shouldn't be a problem assuming all expected to return do so.
Maggio this season did great without Johnston and Cuylle,I am expecting others will just fine.

What? Keep reaching n hoping for cred lol. Didn't see it. But ok keep pivoting, shifting,.......
Are you saying you are as insightful regarding Jr hockey as Brock Otten? One has respect on HF, one........well I won't stoop to publicly posting it.
Keep patting yourself on the back lol.

You dont have to post it just scroll up and read, it I didn't post it only said I agree fully with his viewpoints.
And I dont need taps on the back from you or others,though u certainly need to respond to everything I post.
I could say the earth is round and u would have an issue with it,anyone else not so much.

 

[OHLTG]

That's the point, the validity of the stats is what's being called into question. You need to demonstrate their usefulness not that they're merely interesting, or else why bother mentioning them? And if someone provides those stats year after year, and cannot explain whether they have any value or merit because they couldn't be bothered to go back and check, then it makes you wonder why they're continually mentioned. So, it's an entirely fair question to ask whether there's anything to those numbers. E. G. It could very well be the case that those stats are meaningless for predicting the success of a team the following year, and if so, once again, I ask, why bother? Fair question?

Fair question but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in looking at them. For me, the stats of players returning is one (of several) things I'm curious about for a new season. The topic scratches the surface of what's happening and I don't mind digging deeper. I think one major factor this coming season will be whether or not Savard returns. He got the best offence out of his team. If he departs, for whatever reason, a lot could change.

 

[Otto]

Those can be included, too. There are lots of stats that go well with returning goals.


Will respond to this later tonight!

But they are never included, just "returning goals" which is useless

 

[ktownfan]

Following from a distance I hear the rumblings and where the balme lies. Everyone needs to take some of the blame, but bringing in a "superstar" doesn't always work. In the case of this "superstar" he has a habit of dividing a room. He accomplished this when he got to windsor, he took 10 of the guys out for steak dinner. Didn't iclude Maggio or Peer to name a couple. Mostly GTHL guys were in attandance. Maggio was your superstar not Wright.

 

[bobber]

Following from a distance I hear the rumblings and where the balme lies. Everyone needs to take some of the blame, but bringing in a "superstar" doesn't always work. In the case of this "superstar" he has a habit of dividing a room. He accomplished this when he got to windsor, he took 10 of the guys out for steak dinner. Didn't iclude Maggio or Peer to name a couple. Mostly GTHL guys were in attandance. Maggio was your superstar not Wright.

Really have my doubts about this story. Sounds a little gossipy. Where is the source? Wright probably didn't know a lot about any of the Spit players and I am sure the GM wouldn't let a player they traded for come in and stir the pot. Just doesn't make sense. The Spitfires are a class organization and would never allow this to happen. Takes a team effort to win a series.

 

[Teflon]

Ive heard some rumblings about a divided room. No proof tho. Even still, as a player you cant get your nose outta joint and tank because of it! Thats a reflection in you!

 

[Savard18]

In Windsor's case as Brock Otten noted 7 players in Windsor's top 10 scoring are expected to return and beside Maggio were leading the team in scoring before Harrison and Wright got there,plus the 2 leading dman in scoring points are returning as well Dionicio and Christoforo, toss in great rookies like Greentree and Spellacy , Abraham who missed 41 games is expected to return fully healthy and he had 35 points in 27 games and rarely played with Maggio,and was barely there to play when Harrison and Wright were here.
As I wrote earlier I agree with Otten's position re Windsor and their scoring shouldn't be a problem assuming all expected to return do so.
Maggio this season did great without Johnston and Cuylle,I am expecting others will just fine.


You dont have to post it just scroll up and read, it I didn't post it only said I agree fully with his viewpoints.
And I dont need taps on the back from you or others,though u certainly need to respond to everything I post.
I could say the earth is round and u would have an issue with it,anyone else not so much.

I just did the math on returning goals from the playoffs for you. The answer is 4. Go do the math on how many posts there are where people were warning you about lack of defense, size and toughness this year and you responded with attacks and your goal numbers. You’ve got 80 posts showing how high up in the CHL Windsor’s goals for were in the regular season but you you must’ve misplaced your stats for playoff goals for. It’s 4. Brock is usually pretty good but If you’re looking for good analysis on the Spitfires I’d check out Windsor7 from HFBoards, he pretty much nailed it this year.

 

[dirty12]

So are a lot of other things in sports. Do you toss those aside, too?


To be fair, the team has been raving about the 06s from around December. Can't really blame them, either. Oh, and just for clarity... they're going to have 07s and 08. Sorry.

Sure, just not likely the quantity or quality of Flint, Soo, Erie, Guelph, and maybe Saginaw

 

[ktownfan]

Really have my doubts about this story. Sounds a little gossipy. Where is the source? Wright probably didn't know a lot about any of the Spit players and I am sure the GM wouldn't let a player they traded for come in and stir the pot. Just doesn't make sense. The Spitfires are a class organization and would never allow this to happen. Takes a team effort to win a series.

Check into it, no gossip.
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[hockeylegend11]

I just did the math on returning goals from the playoffs for you. The answer is 4. Go do the math on how many posts there are where people were warning you about lack of defense, size and toughness this year and you responded with attacks and your goal numbers. You’ve got 80 posts showing how high up in the CHL Windsor’s goals for were in the regular season but you you must’ve misplaced your stats for playoff goals for. It’s 4. Brock is usually pretty good but If you’re looking for good analysis on the Spitfires I’d check out Windsor7 from HFBoards, he pretty much nailed it this year.

Says the guy whose team last year in the conference final leading 3-2 in the series,choked epically brought back most of their team this year and finished 5th,terrible draft,and btw nobody cares about negative posters such as the one u referenced and Brock Otten is right Windsor made the right choice going all in,given how well the team is set up for success the next few years.
Did Windsor do well,definitely not but still the right choice,success always doesn't happen.
Or in the case of your team Savard never has happened.
One of these days you will learn to be respectful

 

[bobber]

Check into it, no gossip.
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Still when you post something derogatory about an OHL player you should post the source. Sounds like something from Jerry Springer. Just saying... I think HF requires posters to post the source on rumours.

 

[windsor7]

Says the guy whose team last year in the conference final leading 3-2 in the series,choked epically brought back most of their team this year and finished 5th,terrible draft,and btw nobody cares about negative posters such as the one u referenced and Brock Otten is right Windsor made the right choice going all in,given how well the team is set up for success the next few years.
Did Windsor do well,definitely not but still the right choice,success always doesn't happen.
Or in the case of your team Savard never has happened.
One of these days you will learn to be respectful

Defense was still weak.
And team wasn't tough enough.
Offense can only carry u so far.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Defense was still weak.
And team wasn't tough enough.
Offense can only carry u so far.

They went all in and I supported it then and still do.
Did it work no but that happens
Finishing 1st back to back years in the conference works for me.
One thing I would have done differently is have an OA dman instead of the OA goalie,could it have made a difference perhaps .

 

[windsor7]

They went all in and I supported it then and still do.
Did it work no but that happens
Finishing 1st back to back years in the conference works for me.
One thing I would have done differently is have an OA dman instead of the OA goalie,could it have made a difference perhaps .

Didn't address how weak defense was all year.

 

[rve24]

They went all in and I supported it then and still do.
Did it work no but that happens
Finishing 1st back to back years in the conference works for me.
One thing I would have done differently is have an OA dman instead of the OA goalie,could it have made a difference perhaps .

Interesting how the criteria for success changes when your not trying to bad mouth other organizations
Way to stick to your guns.

 

[Teflon]

Why bicker amongst ourselves!! Utter fsilure end of story

 

[Savard18]

Says the guy whose team last year in the conference final leading 3-2 in the series,choked epically brought back most of their team this year and finished 5th,terrible draft,and btw nobody cares about negative posters such as the one u referenced and Brock Otten is right Windsor made the right choice going all in,given how well the team is set up for success the next few years.
Did Windsor do well,definitely not but still the right choice,success always doesn't happen.
Or in the case of your team Savard never has happened.
One of these days you will learn to be respectful

Respectful? Remind me is it women or the elderly I should be respectful to? It often seems like both. So it’s all about the ‘06’s now? Is that your new thing? Ok. Flint’s ‘06’s know how to win a playoff game. As do their ‘05’s. Because they still have some.

 

[hockeylegend11]

It is interesting that a division or conference or even a league championship has meaning only when achieved by your team, but anything less than a Memorial Cup championship is insignificant for all other teams.

And what OHL team do u root for?
Only asking because your very 1st post unless you changed your handle can be interpreted note said can be interpreted inflammatory or provocative in nature.
Myself I care and root for one team Windsor, everyone else while I wish no harm not.