Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 7)

[windsor7]

I've asked this before. You'll never get an answer and because no such comparison is done it really makes it a useless stat.

Agreed

 

[OHLTG]

I've asked this before. You'll never get an answer and because no such comparison is done it really makes it a useless stat.

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

 

[windsor7]

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

It's just a guess...

 

[Savard18]

It's called winning a conference title something totally foreign to you

Yes he has no answer for his team

You got that right,he cant get over last year's choke job up 3-2 in conference final then bye bye next 2 games,now down 3-1 in this year's playoffs and then huffing and huffing on this site.
No response to their drafting this year despite higher picks then Windsor, then no class appearance on this site ,unprovoked, I dont troll on their forum not sure why it happens here.

It’s a good thing you like your ‘06’s because you don’t have any ‘05’s and you’re not gonna have any ‘07’s or ‘08’s.

 

[OHLTG]

It's just a guess...

So are a lot of other things in sports. Do you toss those aside, too?

It’s a good thing you like your ‘06’s because you don’t have any ‘05’s and you’re not gonna have any ‘07’s or ‘08’s.

To be fair, the team has been raving about the 06s from around December. Can't really blame them, either. Oh, and just for clarity... they're going to have 07s and 08. Sorry.

 

[windsor7]

So are a lot of other things in sports. Do you toss those aside, too?

Yes.
And don't move the goal posts to do it either...

 

[hockeylegend11]

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

Agree with what you said,for example Guelph has been mentioned as a contender for next year ,as of now projected to have 4th most goals returning plus an OA could be added,Ottawa another team mentioned as contender next year has 4th most goals returning,1 solid goalie,plus 2 open OA spots,plus OA goalie to trade ,4th most points returning, Saginaw Mem Cup host ,5th most goals returning, 1 open OA spot, 6th in points, and you saw what Brock Otten said via twitter for Windsor 7 of top 10 point producers able to return,goaltending set,2nd most points projected to return,only Sudbury has more.
Nor an exact science but then nothing is.

 

[ip4982s]

Crazy. I mentioned in the OS forum that even when the game was out of reach, the Attack never stopped skating. Watching the Windsor series, the Spits never started skating. Cant for the life of me figure out why.

I don’t agree I think Maggio Wright others showed heart but just couldn’t execute. Constantini was a wall and stepped up at right time. They were out coached. Plain and simple.

 

[rve24]

I've asked this before. You'll never get an answer and because no such comparison is done it really makes it a useless stat.

It's something he throws out to either deflate expectations or to show how great things are depending on the year n the narrative he wants to impose . Same as all the old school irrevelant stats that are repetitiely regurgitated.
We never see analytics actually used by teams to make a point.

 

[OHLTG]

Agree with what you said,for example Guelph has been mentioned as a contender for next year ,as of now projected to have 4th most goals returning plus an OA could be added,Ottawa another team mentioned as contender next year has 4th most goals returning,1 solid goalie,plus 2 open OA spots,plus OA goalie to trade ,4th most points returning, Saginaw Mem Cup host ,5th most goals returning, 1 open OA spot, 6th in points, and you saw what Brock Otten said via twitter for Windsor 7 of top 10 point producers able to return,goaltending set,2nd most points projected to return,only Sudbury has more.
Nor an exact science but then nothing is.

Projection is a part of sports. Sometimes it's wrong, good or bad, and sometimes it's right. They can be ignored if desired but they're far from useless.

 

[dmead]

I don’t agree I think Maggio Wright others showed heart but just couldn’t execute. Constantini was a wall and stepped up at right time. They were out coached. Plain and simple.

Rose coloured glasses. I watched both series. The difference was quite evident.

 

[windsor7]

Projection is a part of sports. Sometimes it's wrong, good or bad, and sometimes it's right. They can be ignored if desired but they're far from useless.

Close to useless..

 

[Houndzfan20]

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

IMO returning goals or points has always been a crap shoot. Lots of times players returning benefitted from a 19 year old or OA that was the main reason for most of the points.

 

[rve24]

Projection is a part of sports. Sometimes it's wrong, good or bad, and sometimes it's right. They can be ignored if desired but they're far from useless.

Projection is a part of it for sure.

BUT revelance is important. Teams don't rely on simple 30 year old measuring sticks for projections and if they do they are getting lapped. Just saying the game has moved ahead of retunring goals and +/= as important stats like 15 years ago.
In hindsight maybe they were using HLs stats for the last 13 years.

 

[OHLTG]

Just saying the game has moved ahead of retunring goals and +/= as important stats like 15 years ago.

You'd clearly use more than just returning goals, but that doesn't take away their validity.

 

[hockeylegend11]

Projection is a part of it for sure.

BUT revelance is important. Teams don't rely on simple 30 year old measuring sticks for projections and if they do they are getting lapped. Just saying the game has moved ahead of retunring goals and +/= as important stats like 15 years ago.
In hindsight maybe they were using HLs stats for the last 13 years.

Interesting you didn't comment on Brock Otten 's twitter regarding Windsor for next season,lines up with mine,check it out,u claim to fair prove it.

 

[spits]

I think returning goals can be an indicator. If team A has 209 returning goals and team B 90 (Windsor vs Sarnia next year according to HL's #s) it definitely shows Windsor has more returning players than Sarnia. Now, a lot of those returning goals will be players that will eventually be traded to recoup picks. Being able to quickly recoup picks is nice.

Gonna be a long brutal offseason. It would be nice if they could get some of the Americans to report, especially Delaurentis. Import draft is gonna be hard to bring in a notable player considering how late they draft especially considering no Russians can be drafted.

 

[ip4982s]

Great post. Boys did not get it done but no one should be attacking their heart or desire. Maggio’s interview alone showed he has heart! He’s battled hard for Windsor for years!


Fans were all excited and players were psyched on some moves but not at expense of blowing up chemistry of locker room, which happened. Results followed. In this league, almost every team has talent and Kitchener was a fierce and formidable opponent. What sets really good teams apart is not an individual player or two but the chemistry and consistency of the players on and off the ice. Those trades hurt because those 05s were blindsided and the 06s realized they were going to be left on a team w limited future potential given lack of draft choices. Then injuries and BB had to go bring up players. Lots happened and clear failures. But boys deserve for otherwise amazing season. Wish them every success.

 

[Otto]

I don't see 'returning goals' as useless. They might not always hit projections but knowing which teams return 75% of their goals versus, say, 25% of their goals, is interesting to know.

It means nothing without context.

 

[OHLTG]

It means nothing without context.

... and with context? It's useful.

 

[nelli27]

You'd clearly use more than just returning goals, but that doesn't take away their validity.

That's the point, the validity of the stats is what's being called into question. You need to demonstrate their usefulness not that they're merely interesting, or else why bother mentioning them? And if someone provides those stats year after year, and cannot explain whether they have any value or merit because they couldn't be bothered to go back and check, then it makes you wonder why they're continually mentioned. So, it's an entirely fair question to ask whether there's anything to those numbers. E. G. It could very well be the case that those stats are meaningless for predicting the success of a team the following year, and if so, once again, I ask, why bother? Fair question?

 

[windsor7]

... and with context? It's useful.

Crystal Ball used....

 

[Otto]

... and with context? It's useful.

Correct, but simply listing returning goals without historical data such as where each team finished the previous 1, 3, 5 years is basically useless

 

[dmead]

At best Returning Goals shows potential, nothing more.

Great post. Boys did not get it done but no one should be attacking their heart or desire. Maggio’s interview alone showed he has heart! He’s battled hard for Windsor for years!


Fans were all excited and players were psyched on some moves but not at expense of blowing up chemistry of locker room, which happened. Results followed. In this league, almost every team has talent and Kitchener was a fierce and formidable opponent. What sets really good teams apart is not an individual player or two but the chemistry and consistency of the players on and off the ice. Those trades hurt because those 05s were blindsided and the 06s realized they were going to be left on a team w limited future potential given lack of draft choices. Then injuries and BB had to go bring up players. Lots happened and clear failures. But boys deserve for otherwise amazing season. Wish them every success.

Nowhere did I question the heart or desire of the Spits. I said they didnt skate. Stop painting your bias on a factual statement.

 

[OHLTG]

Correct, but simply listing returning goals without historical data such as where each team finished the previous 1, 3, 5 years is basically useless

Those can be included, too. There are lots of stats that go well with returning goals.

That's the point, the validity of the stats is what's being called into question. You need to demonstrate their usefulness not that they're merely interesting, or else why bother mentioning them? And if someone provides those stats year after year, and cannot explain whether they have any value or merit because they couldn't be bothered to go back and check, then it makes you wonder why they're continually mentioned. So, it's an entirely fair question to ask whether there's anything to those numbers. E. G. It could very well be the case that those stats are meaningless for predicting the success of a team the following year, and if so, once again, I ask, why bother? Fair question?

Will respond to this later tonight!