Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 7)

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RayzorIsDull

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It isn't a Knights fan thing as much as you wanna take it there lol. . Check the people who responded on here.
I still bet more fans across this league remember more OHL champs than Memorial Cup champs ;)
I get it, it's your measuring stick. Doesn't mean it everyone else's.
Or that if you make stuff up it's true.
If I was to give you a bunch of random years for you to remember who won the OHL title I don't think it would be that easy. If I asked you who won the 1997 OHL title or if you can remember the last 3 teams to from the OHL to win a Memorial Cup I think you could remember the Memorial Cup winning team. You might remember a random OHL champion because maybe London lost to that team etc... otherwise it's harder than you think.
 

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If I was to give you a bunch of random years for you to remember who won the OHL title I don't think it would be that easy. If I asked you who won the 1997 OHL title or if you can remember the last 3 teams to from the OHL to win a Memorial Cup I think you could remember the Memorial Cup winning team. You might remember a random OHL champion because maybe London lost to that team etc... otherwise it's harder than you think.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning soooooo--
 

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Agree. It is my opinion Memorial cups are more important. That is only bolstered by many Spits fans and Spits players I've talked with through the years , maybe expectations for other teams is not the same. I respect that but don't believe that is the end goal for most fans or players

I've heard a former Spits player I still have contact with say the goal was to bring the OHL title back to Windsor (and he didn't call the trophy by name ;))

Amusingly enough, the last OHL team to win the Memorial Cup was Windsor in 2017.... and, yes, I had to look it up (it's been a busy day).

It's been a while for the OHL.
 

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If I was to give you a bunch of random years for you to remember who won the OHL title I don't think it would be that easy. If I asked you who won the 1997 OHL title or if you can remember the last 3 teams to from the OHL to win a Memorial Cup I think you could remember the Memorial Cup winning team. You might remember a random OHL champion because maybe London lost to that team etc... otherwise it's harder than you think.

Hey ya got the Spits 2 biggest fans to like one of your posts. That's impressive Razor! That don't happen often ;)

If the point I responded to was everyone remembers the Memorial Cup champ..... and the league means alot less cause people don't remember the name of the trophy.......
Ya I'll guarantee I'd do better remembering OHL champs over National tourney winners easily. The last 5 years, 10 years or any given random year cause I follow the O, know kids that played in it from benches and dressing rooms, had season tics since 99. But often tune out the Memorial Cup if their isn't a personal reason to watch. Just me but it wouldn't be close and yes it would be hard for many. I totally agree. But I think more would know their league than the tourney.
NCAA frozen 4 or March Madness I would agree there for sure.
 
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I've heard a former Spits player I still have contact with say the goal was to bring the OHL title back to Windsor (and he didn't call the trophy by name ;))

That was something I heard from them multiple times; how badly they wanted to get first overall so, should Game 7 happen again, they were at home for it. Regarding the name... it's easier to say "stanley cup" or "OHL championship", rather than "J Ross Robertson Trophy", so I get it haha
 
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Good day all. Have a great Easter weekend!

That was something I heard from them multiple times; how badly they wanted to get first overall so, should Game 7 happen again, they were at home for it. Regarding the name... it's easier to say "stanley cup" or "OHL championship", rather than "J Ross Robertson Trophy", so I get it haha
Ya mean they didn't all just say Memorial Cup was the goal? No way. ;) Have a good weekend
 

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I bet past ownership would rather have the millions in lost playoff revenue from 2011-2022 than the 2017 Memorial Cup banner.
 

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Agree. It is my opinion Memorial cups are more important. That is only bolstered by many Spits fans and Spits players I've talked with through the years , maybe expectations for other teams is not the same. I respect that but don't believe that is the end goal for most fans or players
One of us should start a poll thread. I’m kind of curious. I completely believe you and I’m sure you’re not the only one. To me though I’d want the weeks long thrill of a playoff run. I’d be bummed to not finish it off but depending on the opponent and outcome I’d be more than content. Now…..if there already were 2-3-4 J. ROSS ROBERTSON CUP banners hanging in the building….maybe I’d pick the Memory Cup thing or whatever it’s called.
 

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I'm not sure they will keep Soblev as he would be a OA/import. He is good but likely not good enough to hold both spots .
Exactly why we should keep him. Our import drafts lately have been garbage, and we don’t have a high pick this year. We’re not going to have anything better on the import front.

His value going to another team is low as an OA Import, however, I believe he can heavily contribute here next year, while Christopoulos and Maillet fetch great returns, and Holmes will hopefully give us a little something of what we spent as I’d guess he holds more value than Peer & Jodoin.
 

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Not all on Wright. But when you pay a lot for a player, expectations are high. Wright had his choice, he picked Windsor and he didn’t perform to his potential. But he’s got a bright future. Boys all fell short. Coaches and management too. And why no press conference after game, or am I missing it??
In my eyes Harrison cost more to do less, more blame goes on him 🤷🏻‍♂️

Maybe my value of Meidema is just skewed as I never enjoyed watching him
 
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Ok so looking at the returning players, the one positive is we have a lot of pieces that can be traded to recoup the picks. We also have one of the best '06 crops in the entire OHL in Greentree, Cristoforo, and Spellacy.

Compared to teams like Sarnia and Kitchener who traded their 06's we're in decent shape. The Spitfires have a lot more returning players. Sarnia has about 3 returning players and none of big value, same as Kitchener who loses Pinello, Arcuri, Moore, Mesar, Hamara, Zhilkin, Valade ,Schmidt etc. Technically, everyone but Maggio, Renwick, Wright, Harrison is a part of the roster. Obviously, you have 6 OAs, so lose three players there.

The first players I would trade as soon as the trade freeze ends is Maillet and Christopoulos, they can retrieve the most value. Look at the return Hamilton got for Hayes and White (Lardis). I could see a similar return for Christopoulos and Dionicio. I would keep Sobolev and Peer.

I see a few posters stating not to trade Dionicio, but unfortunately, he's the one who can mark the biggest return. He played at a 90 point pace since arriving from Niagara. A player like Abraham can be held until December , let him put up points, drive up his value then trade him. The picks can be recouped rather quickly but the only player I see bringing in an '07 in a return is Dionicio. So if played right, it can be a quick rebuild similar to what Hamilton did this season.
IMO, the Dionicio sample size here is too much for a heavy pull. I agree with your other assessments, I’d just ride out Rodwin Dionicio until the deadline. I think he’ll continue to prove value and may gain an extra pick or two from a team on a push, who could use the depth of a guy that can slot into a forward role if necessary.

A deep playoff run I think would’ve raised the attention needed to spike his value, but 2 games, I think we have to hold for half the year to get top dollar. I’d love to keep him, but if he does what he’s done, he’ll find an AHL contract quicker than an OA year.
 

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An excellent thread here by Brock Otten:



Although the Spits will NOT be trying to content next season. No matter how good the team is, they’re forced to sell because of the buy this year.

Anyone who says otherwise is just flat out wrong.

I agree, it was the right time to buy.

You wait until next year, you lose the OHL top scorer in Maggio, you lose 2 of Sobolev/Peer/Christopoulos/Maillet/Jodoin (with no return at all on the 3 you keep after that. Meaning you keep Sobolev, Christopoulos, Maillet and probably don’t get more in the first 6 rounds than a 3rd and 4th for the ones moved), the goalie position is a question mark with whomever backing up Costanzo, and I’d debate Costanzo hadn’t proven himself 23/24 starter worthy at this years deadline.

This was the year to go all in to compete. Unfortunately, we did half.

We went all in. Did not compete.

Game 3 was the only competitive game of the series IMO.
 
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Knights fan here. I come in peace!
I really wanted London to trade for Wright and/or Harrison and was disappointed when we couldn't land either. At the time our big gets were Ryan Winterton and Ryan Humphrey from Hamilton. But even with you guys loading up there was never any fear on this side that Windsor would go far in the playoffs due to 3 simple reasons: D, goaltending and coaching. All that was proven true in this series. What shocked me was that your Offense dried up as well. Where was the highest scoring team in the league? I just don't feel your bench bosses put this team in a position to win. If anyone is to blame, it's definitely not the players....they all played their hearts out. Blame the executive office from the GM on down. They are truly the ones that failed this team. We now get to play these pesky Rangers and see how good (or bad) we really are. I'm optimistically hopeful but IMO the Western Conference championship runs through Sarnia this season. They are built to win and are loaded from the top on down.
Anyway, the Spits had a terrific season and there's some pride to be had in finishing First overall in the conference. No easy feat.
Enjoy the offseason and we'll see you again come September.
I disagree all that was proven true. Our goaltending was better from both goalies than I expected lol. The offense on the other hand, yikes.

SEVEN goals in 4 games. 1.75 Goals for in the playoffs.

20 goals against. Could’ve been way worse given the quantity of opportunities. Hats off to Onuska & Costanzo. I lost faith in Onuska down the stretch but he showed up in Kitchener
 

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I just pulled up to the WFCU center. Awful quiet here. Isn't there a game tonight? Oh Crap it wasn't a dream! As a fan it still hurts! Can't imagine what the team is going through.
If you told me 10 days ago the Spits first round was only going to be 4 games, I would’ve asked you who our round 2 opponent was and when does it start?
 
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Wonder how much ownership this year was banking on some playoff revenue. Anyone have a guess what a playoff game might generate in revenue?
I’d guess 250k+

My estimate is 6500 tickets at $20 (sure they’re more, but not all seats are always sold)

$10 avg fan concessions

Rough estimate on merch.

On the Bright side, if you didn’t want to stand in line, those “2023 Whatever It Takes” shirts gotta be pretty cheap at this point. Probably should’ve changed the slogan to “What does it take?”
 

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If the point I responded to was everyone remembers the Memorial Cup champ..... and the league means alot less cause people don't remember the name of the trophy.......

To be fair, I likely couldn't name the last few World Series or Stanley Cup winners, either. Brain is weird like that. (though, I know Tampa's won a couple lately)
 
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To be fair, I likely couldn't name the last few World Series or Stanley Cup winners, either. Brain is weird like that. (though, I know Tampa's won a couple lately)

Not even sure how to respond to this lol.
 
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