Player Discussion William Nylander

[ACC1224]

Beauty goal last night.

 

[GoonieFace]

Obviously the league deems playmaking at a premium that is why they award a point even for a secondary assist.

Can’t say I agree with this logic at all.

A good example was Tavares PP goal on Friday I believe. Marner lost control of the puck that deflected off a Detroit player and went right to Tavares, who spun and scored. He gets an assist, which is ok I guess, although in general i dislike these points, but Reilly also got an assist, and hadn’t touched the puck in like 5 seconds.

That’s why strictly looking at raw points is a dangerous way of evaluating player performance. I get it happens in every game to every team, but it can certainly artificially inflate point totals

 

[ULF_55]

Good start to season.

It can go cold, look at Matthews shooting right now.

But probably another 40 goal season?

 

[Jojalu]

yes that begets the question is regular season success or do you dream of something more?

I guess no one should complain if they underperform in the regular season then.

Just wait to the playoffs before anything is judged

 

[thewave]

yes that begets the question is regular season success or do you dream of something more?

He gets clutch goals so I guess that parts moot.

 

[The Shadow]

50 goals would be an amazing achievement and it’s very possible if the power play continues to succeed like it has the past few games.

 

[ULF_55]

Beauty goal last night.

It was hilarious!

Everyone on the ice was waiting for the drop back pass.

I think even his mates were wondering when he was going to pass it back to Woll to restart the attack.

Wonder if some of the players detest that "set play" attack on every powerplay?

 

[Jojalu]

It was hilarious!

Everyone on the ice was waiting for the drop back pass.

I think even his mates were wondering when he was going to pass it back to Woll to restart the attack.

Wonder if some of the players detest that "set play" attack on every powerplay?

Probably detest is a little strong. Every team in the league does it pretty much every PP so it would be interesting to break away from the norm though

 

[BraveCanadian]

50 goals would be an amazing achievement and it’s very possible if the power play continues to succeed like it has the past few games.

50g and 100pts should be the bar for a one-way guy making 11.5 to clear regularly.

Hope he can get there.

 

[sunstersun]

50g and 100pts should be the bar for a one-way guy making 11.5 to clear regularly.

Hope he can get there.

What's the bar for someone making 11mil 5 years ago?

30 goals 90 points I guess.

 

[arso40]

What's the bar for someone making 11mil 5 years ago?

30 goals 90 points I guess.

Clearly lol

50g and 100pts should be the bar for a one-way guy making 11.5 to clear regularly.

Hope he can get there.

1 way guy who has better stats that most the pk guys but I guess that was cause of everyone else on the ice right?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Can’t say I agree with this logic at all.

A good example was Tavares PP goal on Friday I believe. Marner lost control of the puck that deflected off a Detroit player and went right to Tavares, who spun and scored. He gets an assist, which is ok I guess, although in general i dislike these points, but Reilly also got an assist, and hadn’t touched the puck in like 5 seconds.

That’s why strictly looking at raw points is a dangerous way of evaluating player performance. I get it happens in every game to every team, but it can certainly artificially inflate point totals

Willy's goal last night is another example - two players got assists, but were they 'earned'? Well, they gave him the puck and stayed out of his way.

At the same time there are goals where the player who does all the work doesn't get an assist.

I figure they pretty much average out over a season or more, but it shows how ridiculous it is to point at one play and extrapolate it and pretend it's relevant.

 

[Gabriel426]

Obviously the league deems playmaking at a premium that is why they award a point even for a secondary assist.

lol, you are funny.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I feel like Montreal was expecting either a drop pass or him to pass off to the wall, you can see even a Hab player cuts off a guy on the wall as Nylander enters the zone.

That thrill was very similar to a MacKinnon type move where if they give it to you, just be assertive and take it and get your scoring chance, no more overpassing.

They cannot change the top unit when Matthews comes back, you make a 2nd unit around him with Domi, OEL, Patches and maybe someone else.

 

[Craig Button]

You dont pay for assists in a forward. You pay for goals.

That’s why players that suck at playing hockey but can score goals like Laine make the big bucks.

It’s this stupid mentality that people have that I highly suspect they aren’t capable of playing hockey and other sports.

 

[Maple Leaf]

That’s why players that suck at playing hockey but can score goals like Laine make the big bucks.

It’s this stupid mentality that people have that I highly suspect they aren’t capable of playing hockey and other sports.

I pay for playoff points and series wins you know?

 

[Gabriel426]

Good start to season.

It can go cold, look at Matthews shooting right now.

But probably another 40 goal season?

He has been getting 40 goals the past two seasons, unless injured, he should get 40 goals for the next few years.

 

[Gabriel426]

Willy's goal last night is another example - two players got assists, but were they 'earned'? Well, they gave him the puck and stayed out of his way.

At the same time there are goals where the player who does all the work doesn't get an assist.

I figure they pretty much average out over a season or more, but it shows how ridiculous it is to point at one play and extrapolate it and pretend it's relevant.

Eventually it evens out.

In general, I do think the shooter will contribute more than 70% in scoring a goal than the two passers. Like Ovie and Stammer gets their PP goal at their spot but if you put other right shot players in the league there, would they still get as many goals as them at the same spot with the same opportunities? I would say no.

 

[ZEBROA]

50 goals would be an amazing achievement and it’s very possible if the power play continues to succeed like it has the past few games.

Hakan Loob only Swede to ever score 50goals. So yeah it would be amazing for more then one reason. But i would not bet on it universe wants us Swedes to stay humble.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Eventually it evens out.

In general, I do think the shooter will contribute more than 70% in scoring a goal than the two passers. Like Ovie and Stammer gets their PP goal at their spot but if you put other right shot players in the league there, would they still get as many goals as them at the same spot with the same opportunities? I would say no.

Goal scoring is a different beast.

I was talking specifically about assists.

 

[Dough72]

that one-man show powerplay goal last night was pretty dreamy. Wonder how many goals he might have scored the last 9 years with Marner on his line. And one of them was a lefthanded center.

 

[sunstersun]

Rocket campaign.

 

[ToneDog]

Not sure who I heard say it this morning but Willie has 1 goal in the Leafs 8 losses.

 

[ZEBROA]

Not sure who I heard say it this morning but Willie has 1 goal in the Leafs 8 losses.

Should we interpret that as he sucks when we loose or that we loose when he sucks?

 

[ACC1224]

Should we interpret that as he sucks when we loose or that we loose when he sucks?

Probably speaks more to the lack of depth scoring that they lose when the top guys don't score.