Value of: William Nylander

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Management has a long term building program in place that they seem to be quite committed to.
I don't expect their patience to run out anytime soon, they're hockey men, they know its a long process and tried to prepare the fans for it. Guess they missed a few.
 

Christ

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While I don't see any player as being totally untouchable, Nylander, Marner and Matthews are pretty close on the Leafs. They are damn fine young players, the kind they need to build around. They are not in any kind "playoffs or bust" mode this season, so they have no real motivation to deal any of these guys. Personally, I fully expect that the Leafs will continue building through the draft for another season before at least before they start shuffling the deck. As an untouchable, I don't see why we need to assess his value.
 

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I'm not intending to embarrass you with my responses, but you keep digging your heels in on a nonsensical position.

Other way around, perceived value on draft day is precisely what determines draft position, influenced by the needs of the team but most are adhering to a "BPA" strategy first and foremost. Teams create a draft board with extensive scouting and research, then take the top guy remaining when it comes to be their pick.

Nylander hasn't played long enough to have a fair NHL body of work to evaluate him on, but his body of work since draft day in other leagues is historical-level good, and his body of work in the NHL so far - with and without Auston Matthews - has been exemplary.

Nylander is top 10 and often top 5 on every reputable prospect ranking and he's regularly bumped in to the top 5 on mock redrafts - these things would not happen if his absolute ceiling was a fringe 1st line winger.

Stop relying on your super-human ability to analyze hockey with your eye test better than anyone else on a hockey-specific forum, look at the evidence and apply context, and give a little credit to the rest of the posters that probably know a little about the game as well (especially when they unanimously speak out against your position on this argument). Be willing to be moved off your position in light of new information, that's how we improve the strength of our arguments. And if you're just here to take up contrarian positions without being able to support them - isn't that just a waste of your time too?

This is an excellent post!
 

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As everyone is saying, Matthews/Nylander/Marner are all untouchable. Even for a guy like Lindholm, none of those 3 would be included in a trade.

All 3 have potential to be franchise players IMO.
 

Leafs87

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I love Marner but at this point if we are desperate to trade for a D man for whatever reason, Nylander and Matthews are untouchable and Marner would be the one going but only for a stud D man same/similar age. That being said one D man won't change things we need a complete overhaul of about 3 D men.

No way they trade either to try and speed up the rebuild, I believe the focus now moving forward will be to draft and develop D.

Either way I was just using Marner to make the case for Nylanders value, not saying they should or will trade Marner
 

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I don't see any of the 3 rookies being traded for help on the blue line. Nylander has played very well with Matthews, at such a young age they can only get better together. Why disrupt that chemistry? No reason at such an early stage in the build for them to be trading away core pieces. Keep building through the draft, they'll be a tough team to beat in the future.
 

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He'll obviously cool down, but I still see a guy who in a few years could be a 75-80 point guy. He's already extremely dangerous and I think he gets about 60 this year.

Obviously I would like to keep him, but if he were to be shipped, I'd be looking at a guy like Lindholm, Hanifin or Parayko coming back.

Whether that's his value or not doesn't matter, he's gonna be a star, and trading a 20 year old with 22 points in 28 games, on his elc can backfire pretty spectacularly.
 

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You guys need to stop watching the puck. How many times has Nylander missed a pass or play set up by Matthews. How many times has he missed hitting Matthews with a pass or not even seen the opportunity? Do you not notice the space he gets which is created by Matthews? He's always about a half step behind Matthews. Marner is the only Leaf that will be able to keep up with Matthews and that will be exciting.

Agin, it's pretty clear you're not watching the games you claim. Several of Matthews' points are the results of Nylander - the two players clearly thrive off one another. Look no further than their other consistent linemate - Hyman has an abysmal 1 point despite playing alongside Matthews.
 

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Nylander is good but his results are a product of playing with Matthews. Put Marner with Matthews and both of them will do much better. Put Nylander with Bozak and JVR and we'll see the truth with Nylander.

I'd trade him for someone like Hanafin in a second.

either not a leaf fan or havent watched a single minute of play.
Nylander and Matthews have been feeding off each other, aside from a couple ppg assisted by Matthews, Nylander has been the one driving that line
 

Halla

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He'll obviously cool down, but I still see a guy who in a few years could be a 75-80 point guy. He's already extremely dangerous and I think he gets about 60 this year.

Obviously I would like to keep him, but if he were to be shipped, I'd be looking at a guy like Lindholm, Hanifin or Parayko coming back.

Whether that's his value or not doesn't matter, he's gonna be a star, and trading a 20 year old with 22 points in 28 games, on his elc can backfire pretty spectacularly.

blues fans wanted Nylander + our 1st rd pick for Parayko ths summer...so yeah that ship has sailed lol.

the list of young Dmen the leafs would move him for is probably miniscule (Ekblad,Lindholm,Ghost etc) the kid is 2nd in scoring and his corsi has been elite...he likely is gonna be a leaf for a very long time
 

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Nylander and Matthews have been amazing together, Willie won't be going anywhere. Besides we have a lot of years in between now and when this team is competitive. No need to move core pieces to fill needs right now. Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly will all be staying with the Leafs. Philosophy here is to build through the draft and create a deep pipeline of prospects.
 

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I really like how the Leafs are rebuilding. They should hold on to their young stars.
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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His value is: Untouchable.

He's been the Leafs best player so far, continuing right where he left off last season.

Hard for me to call him our best player when Mathews is a Leaf but Nylander has been fantastic
 

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Nylander has been the best Maple Leaf in every game I have seen with them.

Toronto would be flat out stupid if they traded him now.
 

Gavy

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I love Marner but at this point if we are desperate to trade for a D man for whatever reason, Nylander and Matthews are untouchable and Marner would be the one going but only for a stud D man same/similar age. That being said one D man won't change things we need a complete overhaul of about 3 D men.

No way they trade either to try and speed up the rebuild, I believe the focus now moving forward will be to draft and develop D.

Either way I was just using Marner to make the case for Nylanders value, not saying they should or will trade Marner

At this point, Nylander is better but I'd trade him before Marner

Marner is a heart and soul guy with an elite level of skill.
He goes 110% every shift and back checks like no other. Blocks shots and he loves the Leafs.

This kid is amazing and his work ethic and determination combined with his natural ability make him untradeable
 

Kylie Sven Opossum

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At this point, Nylander is better but I'd trade him before Marner

Marner is a heart and soul guy with an elite level of skill.
He goes 110% every shift and back checks like no other. Blocks shots and he loves the Leafs.

This kid is amazing and his work ethic and determination combined with his natural ability make him untradeable

Yeah, I would think Marner is pretty untouchable; he's Hunter's guy, and Babcock loves him..
 

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The leafs will be bad again this year and if they get lucky and win the lottery again they could get Liljegren. He would solve a lot of their D problems. If Shattenkirk gets to free agency and they can sign him too, boom the D is fixed.

Trading an up-and-coming superstar in Nylander would be exceptionally stupid.
 

gabeliscious

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The leafs will be bad again this year and if they get lucky and win the lottery again they could get Liljegren. He would solve a lot of their D problems. If Shattenkirk gets to free agency and they can sign him too, boom the D is fixed.

Trading an up-and-coming superstar in Nylander would be exceptionally stupid.

that would be a solid off season if we got liljegren and shattenkirk. we would be able to let liljegren develop slowly and still have an almost respectable defense.

rielly-shattenkirk
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nielson -carrick
 

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