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Aashir Mallick said:
That still sounds like a benching :laugh:
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He said he was first over for OT if it came to that. He had an off night like everyone’s been doing for a month now. It was only noticeable because he’s been carrying so hard until that game. He’s fine but Keefe is a fool. Just like AM can change the game with one shot so can Willy. Keep putting them out and forcing them to win
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Willy had an off game against Sabres no doubt .. but so did Mitch and JT and neither got benched.. Keefer is gonna lose da room if he keeps blasting 1 guy and holds players to different standards .. no player is gonna bring it every single night
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Neither of those guys cost the team a goal... Nylander OTOH did, he was deserving of the short benching.
 
Notsince67 said:
Why dont you point to a specific play where these guys are cheating on offense as an example.
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Are u sain they never cost us a goal ever?

Anyhow , i belive Keefe know how to handle the players in the best way. Nylander say he wants to be pushed. The others may not respond the same way. Im not saing you should tip toe aound those players, just that you cant treat all the same and get the same result. Do what gets the most out of the players. Some need kicks in the btt other carrots( maby not in the btt).
 
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ZEBROA said:
Are u sain they never cost us a goal ever?

Anyhow , i belive Keefe know how to handle the players in the best way. Nylander say he wants to be pushed. The others may not respond the same way. Im not saing you should tip toe aound those players, just that you cant treat all the same and get the same result. Do what gets the most out of the players. Some need kicks in the btt other carrots( maby not in the btt).
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It does seem Nylander needs pushed, doesn't seem fair from an outside perspective but Babcock did the same with Nylander and he seems to respond to it.

We all saw the reports last year they wouldn't move Marner off the PP, or even into a different position, because they were worried about how he would react. So I think it's safe to say Keefe doesn't think Marner would respond well to be benched.

This is just the reality of todays NHL, some players need consequences, some need coddled.
 
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James Blackley said:
Neither of those guys cost the team a goal... Nylander OTOH did, he was deserving of the short benching.
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Both Holl and Dermy gave 2 pucks away in their own end costing us 2 goals too .. my point was simple when your best player this season BY FAR has an off game you don't throw him under da bus .. but Keefer thinks he can mess with Willy's head .. I know all coaches do it but for me I have seen many games this season where Mitch, Matty and JT should have been stapled to da bench for lack of effort BUT they weren't benched .. it is a complete double standard
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Both Holl and Dermy gave 2 pucks away in their own end costing us 2 goals too .. my point was simple when your best player this season BY FAR has an off game you don't throw him under da bus .. but Keefer thinks he can mess with Willy's head .. I know all coaches do it but for me I have seen many games this season where Mitch, Matty and JT should have been stapled to da bench for lack of effort BUT they weren't benched .. it is a complete double standard
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Well, if Nylander keeps improving they won't be able to afford him next contract anyway.
 
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ZEBROA said:
Are u sain they never cost us a goal ever?

Anyhow , i belive Keefe know how to handle the players in the best way. Nylander say he wants to be pushed. The others may not respond the same way. Im not saing you should tip toe aound those players, just that you cant treat all the same and get the same result. Do what gets the most out of the players. Some need kicks in the btt other carrots( maby not in the btt).
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You understand that a benching of a talented player happens when they arent playing the right way. What you are talking about is a red herring. Nylander has played like crap in the past and didn't get benched as did all the players. Is your cognitive dissonance preventing you from seeing the difference here or is this just a shit on Keefe post?
How about we criticize him for something he actually did wrong (and there is plenty there)
 
I do not know the dynamics of Keefe and Nylander's relationship - and perhaps Nylander expects these things and likes the wake up calls.

As an outsider I can say that Nylander has been the most consistent forward for the team. I would say last game was basically his first poor showing. Was the benching a one off thing or is the leash shortened?

Because if the leash is shortened and the first turnover gets him moved down the lineup or a poor period etc, that would absolute nonsense. At some point his playoff performance bleeding into a stellar start should not be undone by a poor game. Other players have had numerous poor showings with no consequences.
 
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Notsince67 said:
You understand that a benching of a talented player happens when they arent playing the right way. What you are talking about is a red herring. Nylander has played like crap in the past and didn't get benched as did all the players. Is your cognitive dissonance preventing you from seeing the difference here or is this just a shit on Keefe post?
How about we criticize him for something he actually did wrong (and there is plenty there)
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It was spot on actually.
 
Notsince67 said:
You understand that a benching of a talented player happens when they arent playing the right way. What you are talking about is a red herring. Nylander has played like crap in the past and didn't get benched as did all the players. Is your cognitive dissonance preventing you from seeing the difference here or is this just a shit on Keefe post?
How about we criticize him for something he actually did wrong (and there is plenty there)
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What the hll does a red herring mean? This is not my first language and slept three hours last night, but i cant see were i said anything bad about Keefe. I honestly think he know better then me and anyone here on how he should treat the players and how they respond. Im not happy about some of the distribution of ice time. And use of some players. But thats a different story. And only Keefe has the full picture.
 
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ZEBROA said:
What the hll does a red herring mean? This is not my first language and slept three hours last night, but i cant see were i said anything bad about Keefe. I honestly think he know better then me and anyone here on how he should treat the players and how they respond. Im not happy about some of the distribution of ice time. And use of some players. But thats a different story. And only Keefe has the full picture.
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He got benched for cheating on offense...not poor execution ffs. The crying around here that improperly accuses AM and MM of doing the same is lacking any evidence. If you think there is evidence, put it up.
 
Notsince67 said:
He got benched for cheating on offense...not poor execution ffs. The crying around here that improperly accuses AM and MM of doing the same is lacking any evidence. If you think there is evidence, put it up.
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Are you honestly trying to argue AM and MM have never cheated for offense in their careers?

Here's both of them at the same time on two OT losses a couple weeks apart last year.

Oilers game: Matthews is in position but just slowly glides back while Nurse goes by him to get in alone and score, Marner stops skating and puts no pressure on McDavid. I'm going out on a limb and saying they were saving energy for a 2 on 1 back the other way if the Oilers don't score.

Flames game: They are back and in position, all 3 Leafs are in front of all 3 Flames, both AM and MM skate forward instead of defending to cheat for a takeaway, one simple pass and it's a clean 2 on 1 against to end the game.


 
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VanW27 said:
Are you honestly trying to argue AM and MM have never cheated for offense in their careers?

Here's both of them at the same time on two OT losses a couple weeks apart last year.

Oilers game: Matthews is in position but just slowly glides back while Nurse goes by him to get in alone and score, Marner stops skating and puts no pressure on McDavid. I'm going out on a limb and saying they were saving energy for a 2 on 1 back the other way if the Oilers don't score.

Flames game: They are back and in position, all 3 Leafs are in front of all 3 Flames, both AM and MM skate forward instead of defending to cheat for a takeaway, one simple pass and it's a clean 2 on 1 against to end the game.


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Of course every single hockey player to have ever laced them up cheated offensively at some point .. coaching is being fair to everyone while you are doing things in best interest of da team .. benching your best player is very risky .. hopefully it does not backfire on team .. I did not see Matty or Mitch get benched in LA game last week when he flat out gave up on game and was beyond brutal at minus 4 for game .. it is a double standard and now everyone on team realizes it whether it is said or not .. hockey players are darn smart when it comes to things like this
 
Notsince67 said:
He got benched for cheating on offense...not poor execution ffs. The crying around here that improperly accuses AM and MM of doing the same is lacking any evidence.
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Cool story bro. Link to where Keefe says this was why he was benched? Wait, didn't Keefe say he wasn't benched, and he was ready to start OT?

Notsince67 said:
If you think there is evidence, put it up.
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Like you said ...
 
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Notsince67 said:
He got benched for cheating on offense...not poor execution ffs. The crying around here that improperly accuses AM and MM of doing the same is lacking any evidence. If you think there is evidence, put it up.
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Yeah... But no i got no problem with Keefe or benching, or time to dig up evidence i dont care about. So i leave that to those who cares.
 
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