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Menzinger said:
The most significant difference in that shooting data though comes from his ability to convert more often than in the past. Hes shooting a bit more in the lower slot, but that's it as far as major shot location differences goes.
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He is shooting more than twice as often from the low slot (8% to 19%) and shooting half as much from out wide (24% to 12%) this year compared to his first full year. He is also shooting almost 40% more from the high slot (24% to 35%)

I dont understand how this isnt signficant and certainly isnt just 'a bit more' like your trying to say...
 
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KuleminFan41 said:
Which peers though? Looking at some comparables around the league for players around his age

Nylander(6.9M) 21 goals, 21 assists for 42 points in 48 games
Laine(6.75M) - 15 goals, 28 assists for 43 points in 45 games
Gaudreau (6.75M) - 13 goals, 25 assists for 38 points in 49 games
Tkachuk (7.00M) - 15 goals, 23 assists for 38 points in 48 games
Ehlers (6.00M) - 18 goals, 19 assists for 37 points in 47 games
Monahan (6.375M) - 14 goals , 22 assists for 36 points in 49 games
Forsberg(6.00M) - 16 goals, 16 assists for 32 points in 40 games
Larkin (6.1M) - 11 goals, 20 assists for 31 points in 47 games

Don't get me wrong, point totals aren't everything, but production wise, he holds up rather well against other competition around the league
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Why is 6.962 rounded to 6.9 instead of 7.0?
 
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Ziggdiezan said:
He is shooting more than twice as often from the low slot (8% to 19%) and shooting half as much from out wide (24% to 12%) this year compared to his first full year. He is also shooting almost 40% more from the high slot (24% to 35%)

I dont understand how this isnt signficant and certainly isnt just 'a bit more' like your trying to say...
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Youre jumping from first year to now. There's a gradual progression here in that shooting location numbers when you look at all three. Thats all.
 
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MyBudJT said:
There is a lot of incorrect/false information in your post. Look it up on Capfriendly.

After Ehlers, Forsberg was the 2nd best comparable at the time, and even then it wasn't a great comparable. Forsberg was coming off of 26G and 33G compaigns and still signed for 0.5% less of the cap. If you used Ehlers as a comparable, Nylander should have got no more than 6x6 (edit: remember, Ehlers signed for 7 years), and if Forsberg as a comparable no more than 6.5x6.

Gaudeau didn't receive his deal for hitting 60 points... he received it for hitting 30G and 78P in 79GP. Geaudreau's 1st two seasons were way better than Nylander's....

Monohan is strictly a center, and had 27G and 30G campaigns... logic would have been that Nylander should have got less than Monahah, too....

Dyland Larkin is also a center and actually DID score more than 45 points when he signed his contract (he had a 63 point compaign and lead his team in scoring and was the clear leader of the team). He also played on a brutal team with no support. A very different scenerio. He still had the clearly better contract year AND signed for significantly less AAV...

Every year, Ehlers had a better ELC season than Nylander...

Also, I never called Nylander a "hack"...

Edit: And not to mention, a lot of these players hadn't played with a Matthews-like talent.
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You sign young players for what they have done and what you expect them to do in the future. That's just the way it works.

What I was trying to say when mentioning that these players got these 6 million dollar deals is because they reached 60 points at the very least. Point totals is what drives up a players salary, and not necessarily what they do in every aspect of hockey. I was trying to explain why they're paid around the same by comparing point totals. Nylander's salary is higher yes, but he also signed a deal later than some of those I mentioned, which I also acknowledged . I'm not saying one is better than the other either.

Nylander out pointed Monahan and Ehlers in their first 2 full seasons. I disregard Nylander's 1st season because it was 22 games, while Monahan and Ehlers both played over 70 games in their first year. When comparing them, Monahan has 96 points in 156 games, Ehlers has 102 points in 154 games while Nylander reached 122 points in 163 games and has more than both currently. The games played totals are far more closer and a better representation because essentially, they all started with their clubs from the beginning of the season.

In regards to Larkin, I think my poor wording made you think I was saying something I wasn't trying to. What I said was, before the season he signed his contract, he never reached past 45 points, which he didn't. In his rookie season he had 45 points, his sophomore year he scored 32 points, then he hit 63 and got his contract. Nylander hit 61 and 61, meaning he out pointed Larkin and which is likely why he got more.

I wasn't accusing you of saying Nylander is a hack, I'm mocking the notion that he's drastically overpaid and not worth it, it was a general comment. And using the "he played with good players" argument, its like saying that Mark Messier is better than Gretzky because he won 2 cups without him.
 
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Farsailor said:
Sitting 12th in the league in goals now. Contract is looking good.
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I've always had the belief that Nylander could be an elite offensive talent. However, if he finishes top 10 in goals he would have exceeded my expectations. I don't even think I would have had Nylander down to finish in the top 30.

Under a coach that actually knows how to utilize him he's practically a ppg. Is he better than Marner, Matthews and JT? No, probably not (JT hasn't looked as dominant though), but at 7M if Nylander is indeed a ppg winger he may very well be the best value.
 
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Willchel Marlynder said:
I've always had the belief that Nylander could be an elite offensive talent. However, if he finishes top 10 in goals he would have exceeded my expectations. I don't even think I would have had Nylander down to finish in the top 30.

Under a coach that actually knows how to utilize him he's practically a ppg. Is he better than Marner, Matthews and JT? No, probably not (JT hasn't looked as dominant though), but at 7M if Nylander is indeed a ppg winger he may very well be the best value.
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If you told us he was going to be a PPG winger in 2014, everyone would have been talking about how we're going to build this team around Nylander. The fact that he's our 3rd-4th best forward is crazy.
 
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Willy has been earning his money this year. For once can we deal an asset while it's in demand? Willy is how we gte a D man
 
Maplebeasts said:
How about we keep him and trade Johnsson in a package? No other team would entertain moving a young guy playing like this.
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AJ can go sure. But it's WIlly + for a real dman. We have enough soft skilled wingers. Let's for once address our weakness. can we just do that for once? :p
 
yubbers said:
AJ can go sure. But it's WIlly + for a real dman. We have enough soft skilled wingers. Let's for once address our weakness. can we just do that for once? :p
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Willy is not soft. He is tied for first in the league for net front goals. Why would we want to trade him when Liljegren and Sandin look like they should be top 4 soon. If you want a dman that badly you should be trading someone like Johnsson who has perceived value around the league but hasn't actually been that impressive looking at him.
 
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Willie is playing really well. I have been saying he needs to show more substance(points) for his play and he is showing it now.

Unless the Dman coming back is Seth Jones or Parayko, or FWd coming back is Drai or McDavid, let’s keep Willie for a few more seasons.

Imagine what Keefe can do to Marner and Matthews once he has a better understanding of these two like he has with Willie and Kap. BTW, Kap is playing really well over the past 10 games or so.
 
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Ziggdiezan said:
He is shooting more than twice as often from the low slot (8% to 19%) and shooting half as much from out wide (24% to 12%) this year compared to his first full year. He is also shooting almost 40% more from the high slot (24% to 35%)

I dont understand how this isnt signficant and certainly isnt just 'a bit more' like your trying to say...
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It is significant, unless you actually convinced yourself he was playing well last year. How anyone could possibly see “luck” or minor difference is baffling and a total discredit to him finding a new paradigm to his game. It’s beyond obvious, he’s been a treat to watch this year. I assure all he didn’t just hit his career high in goals in January because the hockey gods are finally rewarding his play.

Come on, move on from the old arguments, the kid deserves it. Wee Willie has become Bill.
 
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