Gretz went into the 85-86 season thinking he could "average two assists a game, but my goals will drop". That season he recorded 163 assists. Goal scoring dropped from 73 to 52.
Will Ovi breaking Gretzky's goalscoring record change or influence his legacy?
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saffronleaf
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I think this is true of everyone who watched Ovechkin play.
But a few generations from now, when there's nobody alive who watched him play, there will be greater weight placed on the numbers and records.
No based on how he looks relative to past years. Ovie will still score on the pp but 5v5 he looks completely cooked.
Alexander the Gr8
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He actually scored today but it got overturned because of an offside 20 seconds prior to the goal. Also hit the post on the EN at the end.
Good night for you I guess!
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Calderon
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Certainly a slow start for a player that has had several very hot starts. I read somewhere recently that Ovi has had multiple starts of 10 goals in first 11 games. Granted, he could still reach those very numbers if he'll heat up fast.
This season marks only the second time Ovi's gone goalless thru the first three games (2012-13). How'd it progress back then? Rocket and Hart.
This season marks only the second time Ovi's gone goalless thru the first three games (2012-13). How'd it progress back then? Rocket and Hart.
SeanConn
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The whole point is to win cups. The WHOLE point. You queer for individual records? Follow tennis or golf.
If you had a choice--Caps win one more Cup before O retires, or he breaks the goal record--which do you choose?
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Alexander the Gr8
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I never thought of it like that and I think it kinda gets lost...I mean, look at the stats and Gretz is STILL 114 goals ahead?? If things stay linear (they don't), he will have needed to take 1859 more shots than Gretzky merely to tie him.
Flip things around and keeping all things equal (we don't deal in hyperbole at HF do we), in the shots it "would" take OV to get to 894 (6947) , Gretzky "could" have scored 1220.
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This is not how statistical analysis is done. This is cherrypicking stats. In Gretzkys days, scoring was way easier due to, amongst other things, much smaller goalies, hence there were less shots required for scoring a goal. If you want to call this analysis you need to include a "shots neeeded per game" and "goals per game per team" criteria. Otherwise, you're willfully omitting statistics that will change the picture you are trying to present which would get you an F in statistics class
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Yes, just imagine acknowledging individual greatness in team sports. Appalling. WHOLY POINTLESS, even.
I would take 2 TIME STANLEY CUP CHAMPION Colin Fraser over Ovi any time.
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Ok then, imagine being an NHL player. Would you rather win 4 Cups as a 2nd or 3rd liner and win no individual awards or win 2 Cups as a franchise player, maybe one Smythe and a humble assortment of individual awards? With these career arcs there are bound to be certain salary implications which you can count in or ignore as per your wish. Sure the choice changes drastically if the franchise player doesn't end up winning any cups, but if winning cups is the WHOLE point, there's no way you'd choose the latter career, right? After all, 4 is twice the amount of 2, a whole 100 % more. Call me crazy but I have some ambition and alike qualities and would choose the franchise player arc 100 times out of 100.
And just to clarify, I'm not talking about Ovi here at all.
IcedCapp
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The fact that you can’t read the question explains a lot about the rest of your posts.
Of course individual achievement matters.
I don't understand why Ovi breaking Gretzky's record diminishes Gretzky. Or Crosby for that matter, which is weirdly tangential. Which was the essence of the post to which I responded.
And individual achievement minus team accomplishment I still maintain is less than in tandem with it. Ask Dan Marino.
Alexander the Gr8
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No, I can read it just fine - I simply refuse to choose because the question is dumb.
He is getting extreme optimal opportunity with 92% offensive zone starts at ES and 89% overall and 6 MPG on the PP, he will get his goals but he is done as an elite player 5 on 5 or heck even as a good one really.
This has been a trend with a slight blip to start last season for several seasons now.
My guess is that he will stick around for the goal record but the way he gets it isn't going to help his legacy at all it's already set as a top 15ish forward of all time with an argument for a little lower/higher depending on POV.
