Will Mitch Marner become star?

[lipstickjunkie]

For fun 2015 draft class 2017-18 scoring leaders by position

Marner vs. his draft class this season YTD

Centres
1) McDavid ........ 35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Barzal ..............35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
3) Eichel ............. 34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points

Wingers
1) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
2) Rantanen ...... 34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
3) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
4) Aho ...................34 games 7 goals 16 assists 23 points
5) Conner .......... 30 games 10 goals 9 assists 19 points
6) DeBrusk ........ 29 games 8 goals 10 assists 18 points

Defense
Hanifin ...............34 games 7 goals 12 assists 19 points
Werenski ..........34 games 10 goals 8 assists 18 points
Provorov ...........34 games 4 goals 10 assists 14 points

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Top 2017-18 scoring Leaders
1) McDavid ............35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
3) Barzal ................35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
4) Rantanen .......34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
5) Eichel ................34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
6) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points

Marner as of today is the 3 highest scoring winger and 6th highest scoring player from 2015 draft as of today and Mitch is heating up after putting up 5 points in his last 2 games to get in the scoring race.[/QUOTE be
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For fun 2015 draft class 2017-18 scoring leaders by position

Marner vs. his draft class this season YTD

Centres
1) McDavid ........ 35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Barzal ..............35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
3) Eichel ............. 34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points

Wingers
1) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
2) Rantanen ...... 34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
3) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
4) Aho ...................34 games 7 goals 16 assists 23 points
5) Conner .......... 30 games 10 goals 9 assists 19 points
6) DeBrusk ........ 29 games 8 goals 10 assists 18 points

Defense
Hanifin ...............34 games 7 goals 12 assists 19 points
Werenski ..........34 games 10 goals 8 assists 18 points
Provorov ...........34 games 4 goals 10 assists 14 points

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Top 2017-18 scoring Leaders
1) McDavid ............35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
3) Barzal ................35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
4) Rantanen .......34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
5) Eichel ................34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
6) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points

Marner as of today is the 3 highest scoring winger and 6th highest scoring player from 2015 draft as of today and Mitch is heating up after putting up 5 points in his last 2 games to get in the scoring race.

Pretty funny you left out Marner's 61 points as a rookie while most of his draft class hadn't even sniffed the NHL yet.

 

[Walshy7]

Marner has gotten a lot of lucky/unearned assists so far this season, but the old Marner may be back.

and a point is a point, no one argues that. My point was using those stats (toi/assists) to suggest they have unreal chemistry when 50% of his 2 assists was a pass hyman would make easily too, devalues that particular argument. WE haven't really seen what they can be together it is likely they are great but they got 3 games together and outside of one period it didn't make a dent in the scoreboard.

 

[Mr Hockey]

and a point is a point, no one argues that. My point was using those stats (toi/assists) to suggest they have unreal chemistry when 50% of his 2 assists was a pass hyman would make easily too, devalues that particular argument. WE haven't really seen what they can be together it is likely they are great but they got 3 games together and outside of one period it didn't make a dent in the scoreboard.

I wasn't going to post the TOI because I believed the poster wanted to push the Marner should be with Matthews narrative.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Career stats from Marner's draft class: (GP/G/A/P/PPG)


1) McDavid: 162/59/130/189 (1.17)
2) Eichel: 176/59/82/141 (0.80)
3) Marner: 113/23/63/86 (0.76)
4) Aho: 116/31/41/72 (0.62)
5) Hanifin: 194/15/55/70 (0.36)
6) Rantanen: 118/30/38/68 (0.58)
7) Werenski: 112/21/44/65 (0.58)
8) Provorov: 116/10/34/44 (0.38)
9) Boeser: 42/23/15/38 (0.90)
10) Konecny: 104/15/23/38 (0.37)
11) Zacha: 98/10/25/35 (0.36)
12) Barzal: 37/9/23/32 (0.86)

 

[IPS]

That isn't always true. Kane and Gaudreau are good examples of what Marner could become.

Mess the type of guy to pass over Kucherov and Gaudreau and draft some 6'4" 200 pound center in hopes he becomes a checking line center

 

[Wafflewhipper]

My top 5 at draft time has McDavid and Eichel 1-2 and also had Matty Barzal and Provorov in the top 5. Marner was outside the top 5 because Centres and Dmen impact the game more and are better building blocks. Barzal is bigger, stronger, better smoother skater and plays centre which is a major factor for me when it comes to drafting strategy and getting value, however stylistically Mitch and Matty are very similar.

Marner is a creative extremely gifted playmaking winger who will put up a lot of assists. Right now he is being sheltered as a 3rd line player getting easier QofC as a result. Hopefully when he moves up the depth chart playing 1st or 2nd line RW, he can continue to produce when he faces top pairing D and top checking lines. The JVR- Bozak- Marner 3rd line is a talent mismatch against most other 3rd and 4th lines and 2nd/3rd pairing Dmen but they also do get limited TOI/g as a result of being the secondary scoring where Matthews and Kadri draw the top lines and D top pairings.

PS. Connor was also in my top 10 as well. Boeser and Werenski are both exceeding early expectations and off to great starts.

Marner doesn't get the quality of linemates with weak possession players in general, piss poir defensively, he drives the line as the winger. So he is more important that the center. He plays almost 4 minutes per game average less and he is supposedly at a advantage because he gets weaker QoC?

Points 60 Marner is superior to many many good players. All that with the many adjustments required from his coach. A bunch of games with 4 line minutes developing????

You don't have a leg to stand on trying to minimize his contributions. He was and is the better player still everything considered.

How strong are Barzal's wingers!

Barzal was in nobody elses top 5 rankings that year. Where is a link to your picks at.?

I can go find lots of mock drafts for that year. 6th ranked was the highestbi sern him ranked. Craig Buttom had him ranked the lowest i can find at 15th.

Marner did not get much respect in his draft year. The following year is when all the fence sitters really started piling on the tire pumping. Strone was predominantly reported as the better prospect than mitch.

Hunter was in a hurry to announce his pick. Good pick he made there damnnn

 

[Menzinger]

Lets see if Barzal can sustain his level of play. This is a guy who only managed to score 10 goals in the WHL as a 19/20 year old. Even Marner with his muffin of a shot got 44 goals 2 years earlier.

He’s shooting at 12% too which isn’t sustainable for a guy like him.

 

[stickty111]

Mess the type of guy to pass over Kucherov and Gaudreau and draft some 6'4" 200 pound center in hopes he becomes a checking line center

Yup.
Imagine picking Gauthier over a Bracco
Bracco hasnt proven anything yet but if I had the choice, I am taking the player with the elite skill set. As Shanahan/Hunter/Babcock said "you cant teach skill"

Didnt Dubas say "its easier to trade for size, but harder to trade size for skill"

 

[ToneDog]

Yup.
Imagine picking Gauthier over a Bracco
Bracco hasnt proven anything yet but if I had the choice, I am taking the player with the elite skill set. As Shanahan/Hunter/Babcock said "you cant teach skill"

Didnt Dubas say "its easier to trade for size, but harder to trade size for skill"

Hunter took Koshkov over Debrincat probably because we had loaded up with skilled smurfs the previous year. Hope it works out for Hunter.

 

[LeafFever]

For fun 2015 draft class 2017-18 scoring leaders by position

Marner vs. his draft class this season YTD

Centres
1) McDavid ........ 35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Barzal ..............35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
3) Eichel ............. 34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points

Wingers
1) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
2) Rantanen ...... 34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
3) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
4) Aho ...................34 games 7 goals 16 assists 23 points
5) Conner .......... 30 games 10 goals 9 assists 19 points
6) DeBrusk ........ 29 games 8 goals 10 assists 18 points

Defense
Hanifin ...............34 games 7 goals 12 assists 19 points
Werenski ..........34 games 10 goals 8 assists 18 points
Provorov ...........34 games 4 goals 10 assists 14 points

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Top 2017-18 scoring Leaders
1) McDavid ............35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
3) Barzal ................35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
4) Rantanen .......34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
5) Eichel ................34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
6) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points

Marner as of today is the 3 highest scoring winger and 6th highest scoring player from 2015 draft as of today and Mitch is heating up after putting up 5 points in his last 2 games to get in the scoring race.

Yeah let's leave out Marner's 61 points at age 19. It's hilarious you want to say Barzal is better with only a few more points and being a year older a rookie in less than half a season.

You just know you're going to get burned with these posts with Mitch heating-up and what he'll do in the future.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Mitch Marner Teases Super-Stardom

Good read with points 60 numbers showing his production is first line production.

 

[slozo]

Career stats from Marner's draft class: (GP/G/A/P/PPG)


1) McDavid: 162/59/130/189 (1.17)
2) Eichel: 176/59/82/141 (0.80)
3) Marner: 113/23/63/86 (0.76)
4) Aho: 116/31/41/72 (0.62)
5) Hanifin: 194/15/55/70 (0.36)
6) Rantanen: 118/30/38/68 (0.58)
7) Werenski: 112/21/44/65 (0.58)
8) Provorov: 116/10/34/44 (0.38)
9) Boeser: 42/23/15/38 (0.90)
10) Konecny: 104/15/23/38 (0.37)
11) Zacha: 98/10/25/35 (0.36)
12) Barzal: 37/9/23/32 (0.86)

Wow, a lot of good players in that draft class, and it's likely to shake out that a good half dozen or more will be stars in the league. I would say McDavid and Eichel and even Werenski are there already, and Marner, Hanifin and Barzal are getting there.

Really like our pick with Marner, but it was one of those drafts where even if we had "missed", we would have been ok.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Mitch Marner Teases Super-Stardom

Good read with points 60 numbers showing his production is first line production.

Cool stat I noticed, The d'man Mitch has played the most 5-vs-5 minutes with is Borgman.

 

[DarkKnight]

Toronto Maple Leafs: Mitch Marner Teases Super-Stardom

Good read with points 60 numbers showing his production is first line production.

I thought his game Wednesday was the most dominating I'd seen from a Leaf this season, the analytics confirm it.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I thought his game Wednesday was the most dominating I'd seen from a Leaf this season, the analytics confirm it.

Matthews' game against Chicago was better I believe. he was like 95 xgf% or something insane and 85% cf. He was against Kane and Keith all night and destroyed them. Plus he got that OT winner

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I thought his game Wednesday was the most dominating I'd seen from a Leaf this season, the analytics confirm it.

The highest game score combined byva leaf this season. Dominating!

When Matthews comes back just drop him right in the middle of mitch and Jvr. Then Hyman can have his third line center in bozak. It would be good for hymans game actually right about now.
He could take jvr's spot in the slot and cause some screens and stuff with Bozak.

It sets the team up better going forward. Kapanen can absolutely positively do Hymans job also.

He can forcheck, kill penalties astutely and is better offensively than Hyman. Lou Lam has to either talk Babcock into moving Hyman downnin minutes or trade the guy.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Hunter took Koshkov over Debrincat probably because we had loaded up with skilled smurfs the previous year. Hope it works out for Hunter.

Nahhh, that one isn't working out for Hunter. Debrincat is a sniper! The kids going to score lots of goals.

 

[Menzinger]

Hunter took Koshkov over Debrincat probably because we had loaded up with skilled smurfs the previous year. Hope it works out for Hunter.

To me Korshkov remains his most controversial choice. And ultimately it’s way too early to say if he’s made the right one or not (even though I do like Korshkov)

 

[Mr Hockey]

To me Korshkov remains his most controversial choice. And ultimately it’s way too early to say if he’s made the right one or not (even though I do like Korshkov)

He is on the back up Russian national team and has played 4 years of KHL, he is a good risk at #31. IMO, big guy with a nice skill set.

 

[Menzinger]

He is on the back up Russian national team and has played 4 years of KHL, he is a good risk at #31. IMO, big guy with a nice skill set.

I hope he pans out, but I wonder about his ceiling. Some of his underlying numbers have looked nice though

 

[Mr Hockey]

I hope he pans out, but I wonder about his ceiling. Some of his underlying numbers have looked nice though

That is Zach Werenski and Brandon Carlo he scores on, he will fit nice in our top 9 somewhere, IMO

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Career stats from Marner's draft class: (GP/G/A/P/PPG)


1) McDavid: 162/59/130/189 (1.17)
2) Eichel: 176/59/82/141 (0.80)
3) Marner: 113/23/63/86 (0.76)
4) Aho: 116/31/41/72 (0.62)
5) Hanifin: 194/15/55/70 (0.36)
6) Rantanen: 118/30/38/68 (0.58)
7) Werenski: 112/21/44/65 (0.58)
8) Provorov: 116/10/34/44 (0.38)
9) Boeser: 42/23/15/38 (0.90)
10) Konecny: 104/15/23/38 (0.37)
11) Zacha: 98/10/25/35 (0.36)
12) Barzal: 37/9/23/32 (0.86)

Let's increase this to the last five drafts. Here are the top 25 PPG players from the 2012-2016 drafts (minimum 50 GP):

McDavid 1.17
Matthews 0.88
Laine 0.85
Eichel 0.80
Marner 0.76
Forsberg 0.75
Pastrnak 0.75
MacKinnon 0.74
Draisaitl 0.73
Guentzel 0.71
Barkov 0.71
Monahan 0.70
Nylander 0.70
Point 0.70
Ehlers 0.68
Gotisbehere 0.64
Tkachuk 0.63
Domi 0.62
Mantha 0.61
Galchenyuk 0.60
Drouin 0.58
Bjorkstrand 0.58
Buchnevich 0.58
Arvidsson 0.57
Wennberg 0.55

Yeah, Marner is such a bust.

 

[DarkKnight]

Career stats from Marner's draft class: (GP/G/A/P/PPG)


1) McDavid: 162/59/130/189 (1.17)
2) Eichel: 176/59/82/141 (0.80)
3) Marner: 113/23/63/86 (0.76)
4) Aho: 116/31/41/72 (0.62)
5) Hanifin: 194/15/55/70 (0.36)
6) Rantanen: 118/30/38/68 (0.58)
7) Werenski: 112/21/44/65 (0.58)
8) Provorov: 116/10/34/44 (0.38)
9) Boeser: 42/23/15/38 (0.90)
10) Konecny: 104/15/23/38 (0.37)
11) Zacha: 98/10/25/35 (0.36)
12) Barzal: 37/9/23/32 (0.86)

I think Marner will turn out to be a better pro than Eichel. There I said it. Character counts too on a team.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Let's increase this to the last five drafts. Here are the top 25 PPG players from the 2012-2016 drafts (minimum 50 GP):

McDavid 1.17
Matthews 0.88
Laine 0.85
Eichel 0.80
Marner 0.76
Forsberg 0.75
Pastrnak 0.75
MacKinnon 0.74
Draisaitl 0.73
Guentzel 0.71
Barkov 0.71
Monahan 0.70
Nylander 0.70
Point 0.70
Ehlers 0.68
Gotisbehere 0.64
Tkachuk 0.63
Domi 0.62
Mantha 0.61
Galchenyuk 0.60
Drouin 0.58
Bjorkstrand 0.58
Buchnevich 0.58
Arvidsson 0.57
Wennberg 0.55

Yeah, Marner is such a bust.

Willy should be able to get us three innthe top 10 in that group. Babcock developing all three right is going to be funnto watch.

 

[Mess]

I think Marner will turn out to be a better pro than Eichel. There I said it. Character counts too on a team.

I thought Arizona blew it when they took Strome #3OA as they should have taken Matty Barzal instead. IMO was #3 on my final draft board if they were looking for centre.

Eichel was considered the #2 OA but it will be interesting to see how both Marner and Barzal compare to Jack, as you mentioned Eichel does have a prickly personality despite the elite talent which could become a developmental issue for him. Character when drafting has to be a consideration and good character player like Marner will never be a concern that his ego gets in the way of team success.