stickty111
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Will Mitch Marner become star?
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hamzarocks
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naw barzal is a special talent. Not much different then marner in terms of creativity and offensive potential. Right now I think marner is the better overall player and is better at driving his line. Barzal will be the better goal scorer but marner the better playmaker. Both have close to ppg potential. I feel that the top 5 in a redraft 5 years from now will be mcdavid, eichel, marner/barzal, connor. I don't think that barzal is currently a 70+ pt impact player and is riding a hot wave currently as is a guy like boesor, but he's going to continue to improve and become a great player. I still would take marner over him as he's proven himself more and overall I see his offensive skills as slightly better but if we could find a way to trade for barzal and have him center marner, that would be amazing playmaking duo. Give them a sniper like kapanen and we have an elite line.
5-vs-5
- 9g ~ 9a ~ 18pts ~ Brazal ~ has 13 first assists all situations
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- 2g ~ 13a ~ 15pts ~ marner ~ has 8 first assists all situations
- 2g ~ 12a ~ 15pts ~ Nylander
- 7g ~ 7a ~ 14pts ~ Laine
- 9g ~ 6a ~ 15pts ~ Ehlers
- 12g ~ 4a ~ 16pts ~Boeser
- 8g ~ 6a ~ 14pts ~Kessel
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I think Marner and Barzal are very similar, but Barzal is a more powerful skater which may be an advantage for him there but Marner is more creative. I don’t think you can keep all the D from that draft out of the top 5 though. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if 5 years from now there are 2 D considered to be top 4 players from that draft. A really impressive start for a lot of guys from that draft.
stickty111
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Barzal is a solid young player however Marner is the better player and likely always will be. The only thing Barzal has over Marner is a hot streak. When Marner gets one, he should have better production then Barzal. Also Barzal isnt even in the top 10 of this draft class. Marner is in the top 5.
Immaterial. I agree with your assessment that Marner will 'likely' be a better player over time. Time will help us decide. But both will be fine players, too bad we couldn't have both
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^ and this is the basis for criticism?
^ and this is the basis for criticism?
the 2 Matthews assists were in one period against Montreal, and one of them was literally just touching the puck before Matthews went all world goal by himself.
Immaterial. I agree with your assessment that Marner will 'likely' be a better player over time. Time will help us decide. But both will be fine players, too bad we couldn't have both
Unfortunately, fate was against us. I remember a lot of posters here were high on Barzal, and hoping that we landed him at the draft. Then the Leafs plummeted in the standings, and got to pick at #4 instead. I wish they would've made a trade to draft Barzal too, but it's hard to tell where he was going to be drafted. You could trade for the #10 overall, yet he could've gone at 7. Low and behold, he dropped down to 16.
Mugzy97
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So? You can't diminish his assist because the other guy did all the work, just like when a guy scores a tap-in goal you can't take away his goal because the guy who gave it to him did all the work.
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My top 5 at draft time has McDavid and Eichel 1-2 and also had Matty Barzal and Provorov in the top 5. Marner was outside the top 5 because Centres and Dmen impact the game more and are better building blocks. Barzal is bigger, stronger, better smoother skater and plays centre which is a major factor for me when it comes to drafting strategy and getting value, however stylistically Mitch and Matty are very similar.
Marner is a creative extremely gifted playmaking winger who will put up a lot of assists. Right now he is being sheltered as a 3rd line player getting easier QofC as a result. Hopefully when he moves up the depth chart playing 1st or 2nd line RW, he can continue to produce when he faces top pairing D and top checking lines. The JVR- Bozak- Marner 3rd line is a talent mismatch against most other 3rd and 4th lines and 2nd/3rd pairing Dmen but they also do get limited TOI/g as a result of being the secondary scoring where Matthews and Kadri draw the top lines and D top pairings.
PS. Connor was also in my top 10 as well. Boeser and Werenski are both exceeding early expectations and off to great starts.
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Looks like it was one of the better drafts, and the results are not all in.
The skill, training, and preparedness of draft picks is so dramatically different today with players who've attended year round training and advanced skills development from an early age.
When all is said and done we'll see if Mitch was selected at the right spot, looking okay right now.
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That isn't always true. Kane and Gaudreau are good examples of what Marner could become.
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I don't know who is supposedly not participating in that play? Matthews steals the puck and makes a good pass, Kadri makes an even better pass, Nylander dekes down the goaltender and puts it in. That's a goal I'd show if I wanted to argue that G, A1, and A2 should all mean 1 point, for example.
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For fun 2015 draft class 2017-18 scoring leaders by position
Marner vs. his draft class this season YTD
Centres
1) McDavid ........ 35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Barzal ..............35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
3) Eichel ............. 34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
Wingers
1) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
2) Rantanen ...... 34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
3) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
4) Aho ...................34 games 7 goals 16 assists 23 points
5) Conner .......... 30 games 10 goals 9 assists 19 points
6) DeBrusk ........ 29 games 8 goals 10 assists 18 points
Defense
Hanifin ...............34 games 7 goals 12 assists 19 points
Werenski ..........34 games 10 goals 8 assists 18 points
Provorov ...........34 games 4 goals 10 assists 14 points
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Top 2017-18 scoring Leaders
1) McDavid ............35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
3) Barzal ................35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
4) Rantanen .......34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
5) Eichel ................34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
6) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
Marner as of today is the 3 highest scoring winger and 6th highest scoring player from 2015 draft as of today and Mitch is heating up after putting up 5 points in his last 2 games to get in the scoring race.
Marner vs. his draft class this season YTD
Centres
1) McDavid ........ 35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Barzal ..............35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
3) Eichel ............. 34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
Wingers
1) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
2) Rantanen ...... 34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
3) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
4) Aho ...................34 games 7 goals 16 assists 23 points
5) Conner .......... 30 games 10 goals 9 assists 19 points
6) DeBrusk ........ 29 games 8 goals 10 assists 18 points
Defense
Hanifin ...............34 games 7 goals 12 assists 19 points
Werenski ..........34 games 10 goals 8 assists 18 points
Provorov ...........34 games 4 goals 10 assists 14 points
&
Top 2017-18 scoring Leaders
1) McDavid ............35 games 13 goals 28 assists 41 points
2) Boeser ...............33 games 19 goals 14 assists 33 points
3) Barzal ................35 games 9 goals 23 assists 32 points
4) Rantanen .......34 games 10 goals 20 assists 30 points
5) Eichel ................34 games 11 goals 17 assists 28 points
6) Marner..............36 games 4 goals 21 assists 25 points
Marner as of today is the 3 highest scoring winger and 6th highest scoring player from 2015 draft as of today and Mitch is heating up after putting up 5 points in his last 2 games to get in the scoring race.
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probably could find a much better example of a tap in, Nylander had to do some work there forhand to backhand.
I made the mistake of not falling in line with marner crowd so naturally Nylander needs to be ripped on
Marner has gotten a lot of lucky/unearned assists so far this season, but the old Marner may be back.
GardinerTheForward
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I have a gut feeling we are all sleeping on Chabot.
Thank god our divisional opponent f***ed up all their picks. I won't name names so don't worry bruins fans
Thank god our divisional opponent f***ed up all their picks. I won't name names so don't worry bruins fans
Yea they blew it on Chabot but they plucked Carlo out at #37 and debrusk is looking good.I have a gut feeling we are all sleeping on Chabot.
Thank god our divisional opponent ****ed up all their picks. I won't name names so don't worry bruins fans
GardinerTheForward
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Imagine if they had those 3 along with Mcvoy, Carlo, Pastrnuk! nice young core lol
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