Will he stay or go? Let's talk some Mr. Huberdeau.

[TheImpatientPanther]

If Forsling can cement his status as a 2/3 D this season, I would have to say Forsling. Weegar is terrific too, it' s just a preference.

You bring up a good point, I think a lot of people on the 'keep Weegar at all costs' train forget that Fors is due a big raise in 2024 as well.

Not sure if we'd commit $23-25mil for Ekblad (9-10 mil)(29), Weegar (6.5-7.5mil)(30), Forsling (6-6.5mil)(28)?
We could if we hit on enough of our D prospects.

Bob being moved with 2 yrs left would allow for Huby, Weegar and Forsling to stay while paying Barky, Knight and Lundell long term too.

Age in brackets beside my guess on their AAVs IN FLA if they keep trending like they are.

 

[KW]

I think pretty clearly Fors > Weegs.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

There's a lot of guys we can't lose. We've amassed a lot of talent here and we' re not gonna be able to keep all of it. The bottom line is if Weegar keeps up his play, are you comfortable paying him and Ek a combined 14-15 M?

Yes. If we draft properly, we can afford to lose guys like Duke/Bennett. Replacing Weegar will be very difficult with late/no 1st round picks.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Not sure if we'd commit $23-25mil for Ekblad (9-10 mil)(29), Weegar (6-7.5mil)(30), Forsling (6-6.5mil)(28)?
We could if we hit on enough of our D prospects.

Bob being moved with 2 yrs left would allow for Huby, Weegar and Forsling to stay while paying Barky, Knight and Lundell long term too.

Age in brackets beside my guess on their AAVs if they keep trending like they are.

Yeah I agree, even if the cap goes up in the latter half of the decade, let's still like roughly 30% of the cap, maybe a little less, for 3 defensemen. I' d go with Ek and Forsling, Fors will probably be a little cheaper to extend as you illustrated.

 

[Big Empty]

If I’m Huberdeau’s agent I’m pushing for $10M annually.

Equal contract to Barkov

 

[Dread Clawz]

Yes. If we draft properly, we can afford to lose guys like Duke/Bennett. Replacing Weegar will be very difficult with late/no 1st round picks.

It' s easier to find a #2 d-man late in the 1st round than a top 6 forward.

 

[I am not exposed]

All this talk of who and who will not be re-signing makes me want to appreciate this season even more! Enjoy the good times whilst we can.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

If I’m Huberdeau’s agent I’m pushing for $10M annually.

Equal contract to Barkov

He can ask but I think highest Huberdeau would get is $9.75 mil per.
Barkov was 26 when he signed.
Huberdeau will be 29-30.
Add in Barkov being Captain and plays C, that's the difference of 500k to a million per year imo.

If we win the Cup this year or next and Huby grabs some hardware, then maybe it's a different story.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

It' s easier to find a #2 d-man late in the 1st round than a top 6 forward.

I would argue that Weegar is a mid tier #1 Dman. My eye test would agree with that, but that's obviously subjective. Every advanced stat out there also agrees with this.

There's obviously a huge benefit to having two #1Dmen.

Weegar may price himself out the team, no doubt. But he should not be the first guy to go due to cap.

 

[pantherbot]

We'll agree to disagree. Huberdeau will be signing his contract probably being the 3rd best LW in the league unless Marchand drops off in which he becomes second.

Hall only had one 90 point season.

And landeskog's production and lack thereof without his mates are out there to see

Will he really be the 3rd best LW? Maybe strictly by points, but lots of young guys coming up that may already be close to par and could surpass him in a couple years as he ages. The two Tkachuks, Kaprizov, Svechnikov.

We'll see, but I think a lot of the numbers being thrown around here are ignoring the cap situation that has changed dramatically and his age. Both factors work heavily against him.

 

[Dread Clawz]

I would argue that Weegar is a mid tier #1 Dman. My eye test would agree with that, but that's obviously subjective. Every advanced stat out there also agrees with this.

There's obviously a huge benefit to having two #1Dmen.

Weegar may price himself out the team, no doubt. But he should not be the first guy to go due to cap.

Weegar' s come a long way and he was fantastic last season after Ek went down, and even before. He still makes the occasional boneheaded play, although his points and transition abilities do make up for it. He may well be a top 30 d- man. He' s not close to Ek though imo. I use advanced stats in conjuction with eye test 50/50. I've seen some plugs look like studs on advanced stat charts. I still think we can find a d-man like Weegar late in the 1st. Look how defensemen were largely passed over last draft. More and more, forwards are being coveted very highly. I do think Duke is gone in 3 years. But if we start to lose all our scoring depth, it'll be a big problem.

The only reason Weegar would be first to go is because his contract is one of the next to come up. And he very well could command 7-8M.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Weegar' s come a long way and he was fantastic last season after Ek went down, and even before. He still makes the occasional boneheaded play, although his points and transition abilities do make up for it. He may well be a top 30 d- man. He' s not close to Ek though imo. I use advanced stats in conjuction with eye test 50/50

Advanced stats suggest Weegar is the better player, from what I have seen - happy to be proven wrong. Eye test they look pretty even to me. Weegar scores as many points with no PP time and is the better skater/stickhandler.

I say they're pretty close, if not even.

End of day, Zito bought us 2-3 years this summer of a really solid window to compete for a cup. The team is good enough. Just have to do it.

 

[Chaos2k7]

We'll agree to disagree. Huberdeau will be signing his contract probably being the 3rd best LW in the league unless Marchand drops off in which he becomes second.

Hall only had one 90 point season.

And landeskog's production and lack thereof without his mates are out there to see

Huby is gonna be top line on team canada this Olympics.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Advanced stats suggest Weegar is the better player, from what I have seen - happy to be proven wrong. Eye test they look pretty even to me. Weegar scores as many points with no PP time and is the better skater/stickhandler.

I say they're pretty close, if not even.

End of day, Zito bought us 2-3 years this summer of a really solid window to compete for a cup. The team is good enough. Just have to do it.

Sorry, but Weegar is not better than Ek, and its not close either. Ek scores more pts and is definitely better defensively. I' m willing to bet Ek scored far more points than Weegs this year. I dont trust advanced stats 100%. I've seen chart s making out Gryzelyck and Matheson to be defensive studs. Weegs is definitely the better skater and stickhandler but at the same time he makes more errors with the puck.

 

[Gentle Man]

Will he really be the 3rd best LW? Maybe strictly by points, but lots of young guys coming up that may already be close to par and could surpass him in a couple years as he ages. The two Tkachuks, Kaprizov, Svechnikov.

We'll see, but I think a lot of the numbers being thrown around here are ignoring the cap situation that has changed dramatically and his age. Both factors work heavily against him.

The Tkatchuks are not better than Huberdeau. That's not even a conversation worth having

Svech is RW

Kaprisov has had one good year

 

[KW]

Huby is gonna be top line on team canada this Olympics.

Olympics. So Huby top line will play Barky top line in the finals. Interesting… just keep it clean!

 

[pantherbot]

The Tkatchuks are not better than Huberdeau. That's not even a conversation worth having

Svech is RW

Kaprisov has had one good year

They aren't better yet, still young and bring things other than just points.

Weird I thought svech was LW.

Anyways, not sure which wing should make that much of a difference. The splits are usually C, wings, D, G.

We'll find out in a year and revisit. Sure hope it's closer to my number cause if not we're going to be in a tough spot

 

[danktopshelf]

Realest real talk. Unlike Barkov, who is irreplaceable, Huby can kick rocks if more that 7/year.

A temperamental winger can be quite easily replaced. Don't use more than 7 on him,. Also, at 28, dude ain't young. I wouldn't want any deal longer than 4-5 years. So yeah, bring up Deni, Hepo or Mackie. We won't miss much

 

[danktopshelf]

If I can say it, F Huberdeau. And Goldstein's Goal call for him makes me angry. Hope he bails.

 

[GermanPanther]

Weegar is one of the few guys we can't lose. He is elite and can carry a top pair.

In his current Game, he tops even Ekblad. The Way Ekblad play current is that Weegar is carrying most of the miss plays.
Sometimes he could play the Puck a bit faster, but his "impressive Skill" to get better every Year is amazing. The last player i heard about who had the same skill or Attitude, was Alex Petrangelo on the Main Time of the Blues he got better every Game.

Weegar is this kind of Player.

 

[PanthersHockey1]

The term is what scares me for players older than 30. Realistically how many more years of ppg production can we expect? 3 or 4? That means 50% of the contract will be albatross status if it’s 8 years.

 

[sinDer]

Realest real talk. Unlike Barkov, who is irreplaceable, Huby can kick rocks if more that 7/year.

A temperamental winger can be quite easily replaced. Don't use more than 7 on him,. Also, at 28, dude ain't young. I wouldn't want any deal longer than 4-5 years. So yeah, bring up Deni, Hepo or Mackie. We won't miss much

Do we have 2 players named Huberdeau on this team?

I thought we were talking about Jonathan. The players who’ve been scoring 1.12 point per game since 2018.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Sorry, but Weegar is not better than Ek, and its not close either. Ek scores more pts and is definitely better defensively. I' m willing to bet Ek scored far more points than Weegs this year. I dont trust advanced stats 100%. I've seen chart s making out Gryzelyck and Matheson to be defensive studs. Weegs is definitely the better skater and stickhandler but at the same time he makes more errors with the puck.

If we're going by 50/50 advanced stats/eye test, then Weegar destroys EK in the advanced stats side of things.

Again, I think it's close. We cannot lose either.

 

[Great8Cam]

You can always count on 2 unbelievably bone headed numb skull plays per game from Weegar. Keep him if he wants no more than 5m per year and dump him if he wants more. I try to focus on him when the puck is deep in the d zone and it isn’t pretty.

 

[Desert Panther]

Most likely Weegar, both contracts end in 2023.

I disagree. Several things at work here. Hornqvist is likely to be traded over the off season to make room for Sasha's new deal. That's 5.3MM in cap room right there. I'm guessing that Vatrano is either part of a deadline deal or allowed to walk after the season so that's an additional 2.5MM. Nutivaara is likely gone as well at 2.7MM.

In addition, Lou's recapture hit and Darling's buyout are off the books after this year and Yandle's buyout drops by 4MM when Huby's extension would begin. That's another 6+MM and if the rumors are true, the cap will be rising by 1MM per year due to the escrow rules in the CBA.

TL;DR version, we have plenty of room to keep Weeger as well as extend Huby.