Prospect Info: Wild Prospect Thread 2022-23

[57special]

Not overly impressed with Ohgren. He’s got enough traits to play but I don’t see a top-six guy. 20/20 guy for me, which is still pretty valuable.

Like his skill and smarts, but seems to lack speed, physicality, and aggression. By that latter, i don't mean physical aggro, but the mentality to go for, and not be denied, the puck, or scoring chances. In other words, a bit too passive, for me.

 

[TaLoN]

Boldy has more size, which allows for better puck protections and not to get bullied in front of the net. He’s not better than Caufield at anything offensively currently.

ES production:
Boldy 36GP 7g 6a 13pts
Caufield 38GP 17g 7a 24pts

Things like that happen when one player is stuck on former Fiala Island, while the other plays with Suzuki

I take Boldy over Caufield any day, and twice on Sunday.

 

[P10p]

Things like that happen when one player is stuck on former Fiala Island, while the other plays with Suzuki

I take Boldy over Caufield any day, and twice on Sunday.

They're not as far apart as you make it seem imo. Caufield has been lights out since the end of last season.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Things like that happen when one player is stuck on former Fiala Island, while the other plays with Suzuki

I take Boldy over Caufield any day, and twice on Sunday.

You can make all the excuses for Boldy you want. Last year, next to a dominant Fiala, Boldy had a .83ppg. Caufield next to a nice center, though not 85 points per 82 game level offense, is at .82ppg this year.

That’s certainly an opinion. Not one I’d make for obvious reasons.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

You can make all the excuses for Boldy you want. Last year, next to a dominant Fiala, Boldy had a .83ppg. Caufield next to a nice center, though not 85 points per 82 game level offense, is at .82ppg this year.

That’s certainly an opinion. Not one I’d make for obvious reasons.

Let’s assume that both players progress into stars and hit their absolute ceiling, what player impacts the game more: Alex Debrincat or Mikko Rantanen/Jason Robertson

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Let’s assume that both players progress into stars and hit their absolute ceiling, what player impacts the game more: Alex Debrincat or Mikko Rantanen/Jason Robertson

If Caufield hits his absolute ceiling, he is scoring 60 goals per year.

Boldy would have to grow tremendously as a player to reach Rantanen/Robertson level. Caufield is already fairly close to Debrincat’s level.

 

[MuckOG]

If Caufield hits his absolute ceiling, he is scoring 60 goals per year.

Boldy would have to grow tremendously as a player to reach Rantanen/Robertson level. Caufield is already fairly close to Debrincat’s level.

I disagree. He's not there yet, but I don't think he needs to "grow tremendously" to reach Rantanen/Robertson's level. His offensive output over his first season and a half is pretty comparable to these two players. And he hasn't played with the level of players ES that two players have as well. I would imagine putting Boldy alongside Hintz and Pavelski would see his numbers even higher than they have been.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I disagree. He's not there yet, but I don't think he needs to "grow tremendously" to reach Rantanen/Robertson's level. His offensive output over his first season and a half is pretty comparable to these two players. And he hasn't played with the level of players ES that two players have as well. I would imagine putting Boldy alongside Hintz and Pavelski would see his numbers even higher than they have been.

Both Rantanen and Robertson started their careers with similar numbers to Boldy and then spiked to over a point per game in year 2. Both those players are at a similar level to Kaprizov. Boldy would need 55 points in the next 46 games to hit point per game. Attainable? Sure, if he plays with Kaprizov more than he has up to this point. I don’t think he hits that with any other winger on this team.

 

[MuckOG]

Both Rantanen and Robertson started their careers with similar numbers to Boldy and then spiked to over a point per game in year 2. Both those players are at a similar level to Kaprizov. Boldy would need 55 points in the next 46 games to hit point per game. Attainable? Sure, if he plays with Kaprizov more than he has up to this point. I don’t think he hits that with any other winger on this team.

Yep. This is what I'm arguing, if Boldy played with linemates as gifted as the ones Robertson and Rantenan currently play with, he would be a PPG+ player as well. He may still get there, but he's handicapped by the guys he plays with.

 

[AKL]

I wish Boldy had linemates like Suzuki and Dach to play with. Dach might be the worst player on that line and he's still better than Gaudreau and arguably Hartman.

If Boldy had MacKinnon/Landeskog or even Hintz/Pavelski to play with? Game over.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We'll have to see what scoring rates do over the next few years, but saying that Caufield's absolute ceiling is something that only 3 players have done since 1996, and something Ovechkin has only been able to do once, seems a bit optimistic.

And I'm nowhere near a Caufield hater. I would've been completely fine taking him if Edmonton did what they should've done and took Boldy.

 

[AKL]

We'll have to see what scoring rates do over the next few years, but saying that Caufield's absolute ceiling is something that only 3 players have done since 1996, and something Ovechkin has been able to do once, seems a bit optimistic.

And I'm nowhere near a Caufield hater. I would've been completely fine taking him if Edmonton did what they should've done and took Boldy.

It's an "absolute ceiling". You can win any argument on a technicality. Boldy's absolute ceiling is 60 goals and 170 points. When he never hits those numbers I can just say "well he just didn't hit his absolute ceiling, that doesn't mean I was wrong about what his absolute ceiling was."

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

It's an "absolute ceiling". You can win any argument on a technicality. Boldy's absolute ceiling is 60 goals and 170 points. When he never hits those numbers I can just say "well he just didn't hit his absolute ceiling, that doesn't mean I was wrong about what his absolute ceiling was."

Yeah, "reasonable likelihood" is probably a much better discussion.

 

[TaLoN]

And I'm nowhere near a Caufield hater. I would've been completely fine taking him if Edmonton did what they should've done and took Boldy.

I don't actually hate Caufield either, I just choose Boldy over him easily. If Boldy wasn't an option? Caufield would've been a good but lesser alternative IMO.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Yep. This is what I'm arguing, if Boldy played with linemates as gifted as the ones Robertson and Rantenan currently play with, he would be a PPG+ player as well. He may still get there, but he's handicapped by the guys he plays with.

Did you just say that Hintz and Pavelski are as gifted as Kaprizov?

If Kaprizov is dragging Boldy up to ppg, are we really going to hold him in the same regard as Robertson? Robertson is the best player on his line and team. Boldy is probably 3rd on the Wild. He certainly doesn’t carry players like a Kaprizov would.

I wish Boldy had linemates like Suzuki and Dach to play with. Dach might be the worst player on that line and he's still better than Gaudreau and arguably Hartman.

If Boldy had MacKinnon/Landeskog or even Hintz/Pavelski to play with? Game over.

Boldy literally had a better linemate than Caufield just one season ago. Put up about the same ppg as Caufield as well.

 

[AKL]

Did you just say that Hintz and Pavelski are as gifted as Kaprizov?

If Kaprizov is dragging Boldy up to ppg, are we really going to hold him in the same regard as Robertson? Robertson is the best player on his line and team. Boldy is probably 3rd on the Wild. He certainly doesn’t carry players like a Kaprizov would.

Boldy literally had a better linemate than Caufield just one season ago. Put up about the same ppg as Caufield as well.

Do you think players improve after their rookie seasons at age 21 or do you think they're finished products at this stage?

 

[MuckOG]

Did you just say that Hintz and Pavelski are as gifted as Kaprizov?

If Kaprizov is dragging Boldy up to ppg, are we really going to hold him in the same regard as Robertson? Robertson is the best player on his line and team. Boldy is probably 3rd on the Wild. He certainly doesn’t carry players like a Kaprizov would.

Boldy literally had a better linemate than Caufield just one season ago. Put up about the same ppg as Caufield as well.

No, I said that if Boldy played with Hintz and Pavelski, his numbers would probably be similar to Robertson. If he played with MacKinnon and Landeskog, his numbers would probably be similar to Rantenan.

And I do not believe that Hintz and Pavelski are as good as Kaprizov. If Boldy were on Kaprizov's wing full time, he would also put up similar numbers to Robertson and Rantenan. Boldy's linemates are nowhere even near the level of players that they play with.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kulich seems to be another name to keep an eye on as we look back at the 2022 draft, along with Snuggerud.

 

[AKL]

Kulich seems to be another name to keep an eye on as we look back at the 2022 draft, along with Snuggerud.

I liked him too, over Ohgren. Seemed like he had some skill, but was also a center. Really hope Ohgren becomes a player for us. At this time, it seems like him topping out as a third liner would be a not-great outcome for us.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

It's an "absolute ceiling". You can win any argument on a technicality. Boldy's absolute ceiling is 60 goals and 170 points. When he never hits those numbers I can just say "well he just didn't hit his absolute ceiling, that doesn't mean I was wrong about what his absolute ceiling was."

Yeah, "reasonable likelihood" is probably a much better discussion.

Caufield is pacing 47 goals this year at 22. Is it unreasonable in a “everything goes right in his prime” season for him to hit 60? Or should we continue with the clown charade that it’s on the same level as the above 60g 110a 170pts for Boldy’s “absolute ceiling.”

 

[AKL]

Caufield is pacing 47 goals this year at 22. Is it unreasonable in a “everything goes right in his prime” season for him to hit 60? Or should we continue with the clown charade that it’s on the same level as the above 60g 110a 170pts for Boldy’s “absolute ceiling.”

You tell me boss. Boldy put up 4 less points in 20 less games last year and you called that "about the same ppg", so it kinda seems like you wanna continue the clown charade.

Unless you meant this year when Boldy has 4 less points in 2 less games playing with far worse linemates, and I just misunderstood which season you were referring to.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

No, I said that if Boldy played with Hintz and Pavelski, his numbers would probably be similar to Robertson. If he played with MacKinnon and Landeskog, his numbers would probably be similar to Rantenan.

And I do not believe that Hintz and Pavelski are as good as Kaprizov. If Boldy were on Kaprizov's wing full time, he would also put up similar numbers to Robertson and Rantenan. Boldy's linemates are nowhere even near the level of players that they play with.

I doubt it. Robertson is by far the best player on that line. I don’t think Boldy would even be the second best player on a Boldy-Hintz-Pavelski line. I doubt he’d be sitting at 55 points in 39 games.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You tell me boss. Boldy put up 4 less points in 20 less games last year and you called that "about the same ppg", so it kinda seems like you wanna continue the clown charade.

Unless you meant this year when Boldy has 4 less points in 2 less games playing with far worse linemates, and I just misunderstood which season you were referring to.

No, I get the schtick around here. Boldy needs Kaprizov (top 5 winger in the game) on his line to be better than Caufield with Suzuki and Dach (two non ppg players).

Somehow that makes Boldy better than Caufield.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Caufield is pacing 47 goals this year at 22. Is it unreasonable in a “everything goes right in his prime” season for him to hit 60? Or should we continue with the clown charade that it’s on the same level as the above 60g 110a 170pts for Boldy’s “absolute ceiling.”

Again, 3 times in 25+ years. Ovechkin, Stamkos and Matthews. Maybe the scoring boon we're seeing will alter these conversations, but that's yet to be seen.

The "if everything goes right" can apply to a lot of players that would be ahead of him in line for it.

No, I get the schtick around here. Boldy needs Kaprizov (top 5 winger in the game) on his line to be better than Caufield with Suzuki and Dach (two non ppg players).

Somehow that makes Boldy better than Caufield.

No, but he probably needs better than Gaudreau and whatever other spare change is lying around (there's a pretty big gulf between the two). Kaprizov is just what we have to offer. Montreal has Suzuki. We had Fiala, now we don't.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Spacek out there on the 6v5 and primary assists on the game-tying goal.