Prospect Info: Wild Prospect Thread 2022-23

[thestonedkoala]

Just because they aren't on the team doesn't mean they are busts.

Boldy seems to be doing okay at scoring.

Oh yeah Boldy.

Still points remains that this team shies away from skill and rather get guys that top out at the Middle 6 middle 4 pairing. Prospects from the 2028-2020 should be making an impact.

 

[Wabit]

Oh yeah Boldy.

Still points remains that this team shies away from skill and rather get guys that top out at the Middle 6 middle 4 pairing. Prospects from the 2028-2020 should be making an impact.

MN has 5 picks of their picks from 18-20 drafts with NHL time: McBain, Dewar, Boldy, Beckman, and Rossi. The also picked up Addison in a trade.

I think the expectations for the 18- 20 draft classes are unrealistically high. From the FJ draft there are 28 players with 60+ NHL games. From the Boldy draft there are 30 players with 30+ NHL games. From the Rossi draft there are 31 players with a single NHL game played.

The 18 draft class are the one that should be starting to make an impact on the game. It's still a pretty normal curve of 2 years in Juniors (ELC slide years), a full season in the AHL (st year of ELC), AHL/NHL callup season (2nd year of ELC), NHL growing pains year (last year of an ELC, this current season). The high quality players (basically top-20 picks) can skip some (or all) of these steps, but most need this development time.

 

[thestonedkoala]

MN has 5 picks of their picks from 18-20 drafts with NHL time: McBain, Dewar, Boldy, Beckman, and Rossi. The also picked up Addison in a trade.

I think the expectations for the 18- 20 draft classes are unrealistically high. From the FJ draft there are 28 players with 60+ NHL games. From the Boldy draft there are 30 players with 30+ NHL games. From the Rossi draft there are 31 players with a single NHL game played.

The 18 draft class are the one that should be starting to make an impact on the game. It's still a pretty normal curve of 2 years in Juniors (ELC slide years), a full season in the AHL (st year of ELC), AHL/NHL callup season (2nd year of ELC), NHL growing pains year (last year of an ELC, this current season). The high quality players (basically top-20 picks) can skip some (or all) of these steps, but most need this development time.

I am talking about making an impact in the AHL. Not the NHL.

 

[GordieGallant]

Very torn on Ohgren - he plays the right way, plays a responsible game, showing he can play center and play in all situations. But when he was drafted, I was really hoping for a Landeskog-lite - I've been watching for tenacity, tons of pressure on the forecheck, and willingness to shoot; all which seem to be lacking.

I'm pretty bad with using comparisons but I get the feel of a Charlie Coyle - physically mature, center/wing versatile, plays smart, above-average skills, but just lacks that extra step in pace to elevate his game. But I'm torn because that technically nothing wrong with that but it feels like he might keep you wanting more.

Interesting to see if he'll take the next few years to assert himself more physically so that he can develop into more of a driving factor (whether its a scoring line or a GREEF like line) instead of just being the third wheel moving up and down the lineup.

The Wild will regret not taking Jimmy Snuggerud. Do they not like goal scorers?
Boldy over Caufield? This Bracket or whatever his name is you guys slobber over pretty much sucks.

Addison will be gone real soon.

 

[Wabit]

I am talking about making an impact in the AHL. Not the NHL.

I'm not too worried about that. They have few players from those draft classes in the NHL, KHL, and college. A couple more are injured.

I also don't expect much of anything more than a warm body in the AHL from 5th round and later picks. If they hit great, if they don't oh well.

 

[Wasted Talent]

The Wild will regret not taking Jimmy Snuggerud. Do they not like goal scorers?
Boldy over Caufield? This Bracket or whatever his name is you guys slobber over pretty much sucks.

Addison will be gone real soon.

Boldy over Caufield is looking fine right now. Time will tell who ends up better, but Boldy has pretty much matched Caufield's point total this year despite not having anyone of Suzuki's caliber to play with.

 

[TaLoN]

Boldy over Caufield is looking fine right now. Time will tell who ends up better, but Boldy has pretty much matched Caufield's point total this year despite not having anyone of Suzuki's caliber to play with.

They make the Boldy pick 10 times out of 10 in hindsight at this point.

 

[AKL]

They make the Boldy pick 10 times out of 10 in hindsight at this point.

I would too. I'm not sure I'd rather have anyone else from that draft over Boldy except for Jack Hughes. And even then, it's close. I would wager that if Fiala was still here playing with Boldy, their production (Boldy/Hughes) would be similar.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I'm not too worried about that. They have few players from those draft classes in the NHL, KHL, and college. A couple more are injured.

I also don't expect much of anything more than a warm body in the AHL from 5th round and later picks. If they hit great, if they don't oh well.

My biggest issue is that they have no forward prospects and we've been saying there has been a lack of talent especially at forward for a while now.

 

[BagHead]

My biggest issue is that they have no forward prospects and we've been saying there has been a lack of talent especially at forward for a while now.

Khusnutdinov, Ohgren, Yurov, Rossi, and maybe even Beckman look like pretty solid forward prospects at this time (of those not still in junior hockey), and all of them still have scoring upside. True, a lot of those aren't in Iowa, but who cares where they are developing as long as they end up playing for Minnesota? Every player to have graduated to the NHL that the Wild have drafted since 2015 have been forwards, and several of those are high impact players.

I'm hoping you can help me understand, what's the argument you're making?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Khusnutdinov, Ohgren, Yurov, Rossi, and maybe even Beckman look like pretty solid forward prospects at this time (of those not still in junior hockey), and all of them still have scoring upside. True, a lot of those aren't in Iowa, but who cares where they are developing as long as they end up playing for Minnesota? Every player to have graduated to the NHL that the Wild have drafted since 2015 have been forwards, and several of those are high impact players.

I'm hoping you can help me understand, what's the argument you're making?

Khus won't be over for a few years, Ohgren is a middle-6 guy it seems, Yurov is...hell if anyone knows, Rossi was supposed to replace Fiala and that fizzled quickly and Beckman barely scored over 10 goals and looked pretty lost last season. As well, guys like Rossi need talented guys to develop with so that he can get better.

What high impact players has Minnesota graduated? Boldy and Kaprizov? Shaw, Duhaime and Dewar are bottom 6 guys, most are ready to chase off Greenway, but they don't have a replacement.

The common theme seems to be that Minnesota doesn't have enough skill in the minors and that is a big problem. They haven't had an impact forward come out of the second round since Zucker. Firstov ended up being a bust, Jones (who they moved up to grab) ended up being a bust. Beckman looked lost and the rest they signed are a collection of mediocre to blech.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Khus won't be over for a few years, Ohgren is a middle-6 guy it seems, Yurov is...hell if anyone knows, Rossi was supposed to replace Fiala and that fizzled quickly and Beckman barely scored over 10 goals and looked pretty lost last season. As well, guys like Rossi need talented guys to develop with so that he can get better.

What high impact players has Minnesota graduated? Boldy and Kaprizov? Shaw, Duhaime and Dewar are bottom 6 guys, most are ready to chase off Greenway, but they don't have a replacement.

The common theme seems to be that Minnesota doesn't have enough skill in the minors and that is a big problem. They haven't had an impact forward come out of the second round since Zucker. Firstov ended up being a bust, Jones (who they moved up to grab) ended up being a bust. Beckman looked lost and the rest they signed are a collection of mediocre to blech.

Firstov is a bust? That’s news to me.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Firstov is a bust? That’s news to me.

He signed with the KHL. Until he comes back and plays in the AHL, he's a bust. He's not contributing and can't be called up.

 

[BagHead]

Khus won't be over for a few years, Ohgren is a middle-6 guy it seems, Yurov is...hell if anyone knows, Rossi was supposed to replace Fiala and that fizzled quickly and Beckman barely scored over 10 goals and looked pretty lost last season. As well, guys like Rossi need talented guys to develop with so that he can get better.

What high impact players has Minnesota graduated? Boldy and Kaprizov? Shaw, Duhaime and Dewar are bottom 6 guys, most are ready to chase off Greenway, but they don't have a replacement.

The common theme seems to be that Minnesota doesn't have enough skill in the minors and that is a big problem. They haven't had an impact forward come out of the second round since Zucker. Firstov ended up being a bust, Jones (who they moved up to grab) ended up being a bust. Beckman looked lost and the rest they signed are a collection of mediocre to blech.

The several I was mentioning were Boldy, Kaprizov and JEE. I don't understand your concern here. You seem to be nitpicking which league's they play in. It would be nice if we had all of our skilled guys in Iowa so we could call them up, but then they wouldn't all be getting top time, which would actually hinder their development (Yurov excluded, any league would be giving him more time than he's getting).

The common theme from where I'm sitting seems to be that the Wild have been willing to draft out of any league, let the players develop in those leagues, and have been rewarded by drafting on par to the rest of the league.

 

[Wabit]

He signed with the KHL. Until he comes back and plays in the AHL, he's a bust. He's not contributing and can't be called up.

Firstov is under contract with the Wild and being loaned to the KHL. No different than Ohgren being loaned to his Swedish team. Loaned players can be recalled (JEE).

The NHL and KHL have a no compete agreement to where they can't sign players under contract with the other league. It is rare to see a NHL signed player loaned to a KHL team, but it does happen. I don't know why MN sent him to the KHL. Maybe they think he'll develop better there? Maybe he has some family stuff going on? Maybe they are gun-shy after Khovanov and Sokolov flaming out with the AHL team?

2nd round picks have like a 33% chance of being an NHLer at all. Every draft there might be 2 that turn into top-6 FWDs (~7% chance). Greenway is actually a high quality 2nd round pick.

The draft classes are just so overhyped (good marketing by the NHL) every year that every top-20 pick is a future top pair d-man or a stud top line FWD; that it just makes unrealistic expectations for fan bases.

Here are my draft expectations (This can very by draft class and/or my mood):
Top-3 (maybe 5) I expect to get a top line FWD or 1D.
Top-10 I expect a top-6 FWD or 2/3D
Top 20 I expect a middle-6 or 3/4D
top-30 I expect a 3rd line FWD or a 4/5D
The rest of draft picks I expect a NHL player every couple of years.

Picks doing better than these expectations is great, and picks that do worse is bad. It's also why I have no problem trading away non-1st round picks for rentals. Getting ~20 games from a rental is about what I expect to get from that pick in the future. It's also why it doesn't bother me if a player isn't traded walks at the end of the season if they are in the Playoffs.

 

[chchelseII]

Petrovsky with a nice goal!

And another.

 

[chchelseII]

Petrovsky taking all the important face offs for Slovakia.

 

[chchelseII]

Spacek with another goal!

 

[chchelseII]

Looks like Yurov was sent down again. Picked up a goal and 2 assists today.

 

[MuckOG]

Kunin isn't on the team and McBain isn't on the team either.

But the AHL team doesn't have the talent, because they didn't draft the talent. This team has been devoid of scoring. The only one that has done damage was Kaprizov. JEE is decent, but yeah. After Kaprizov, who is the next best forward Minnesota drafted in the past 5 years that can score?

Matt Boldy? And I'm not giving up on Marco Rossi just yet, either.

The Wild will regret not taking Jimmy Snuggerud. Do they not like goal scorers?
Boldy over Caufield? This Bracket or whatever his name is you guys slobber over pretty much sucks.

Addison will be gone real soon.

I like Caufield, but I would still take Boldy over him.

I think Addison stays and Dumba is gone.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I like Caufield, but I would still take Boldy over him.

I think Addison stays and Dumba is gone.

Caufield is the epitome of what most of this board wants but will likely never admit. High skill, willingness to shoot, dangerous every time the puck is on his stick, right handed shot, good skater, great attitude and a play driver.

 

[MuckOG]

Caufield is the epitome of what most of this board wants but will likely never admit. High skill, willingness to shoot, dangerous every time the puck is on his stick, right handed shot, good skater, great attitude and a play driver.

Caufield is a skilled and dangerous scorer, for sure. But Boldy has a better combination of size, scoring and playmaking ability, IMO.

 

[57special]

Looks like Yurov was sent down again. Picked up a goal and 2 assists today.

about time.

Matt Boldy? And I'm not giving up on Marco Rossi just yet, either.



I like Caufield, but I would still take Boldy over him.

I think Addison stays and Dumba is gone.

Agree with everything

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Not overly impressed with Ohgren. He’s got enough traits to play but I don’t see a top-six guy. 20/20 guy for me, which is still pretty valuable.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Caufield is a skilled and dangerous scorer, for sure. But Boldy has a better combination of size, scoring and playmaking ability, IMO.

Boldy has more size, which allows for better puck protections and not to get bullied in front of the net. He’s not better than Caufield at anything offensively currently.

ES production:
Boldy 36GP 7g 6a 13pts
Caufield 38GP 17g 7a 24pts