Rumor: Wild and Senators (Fiala)

[TheNewEra]

if ottawa is going to trade for fiala then dorion is going to stupidly overpay, he ends up doing that for all players that he telegraphs that he wants

all wild fans should be excited

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I think Ottawa would be insane to trade this or next years first round picks, even for a guy like Fiala. No guarantee that this team elevates itself out of the bottom 10, even if they bring in Fiala and a guy like Giroux decides he wants to finish out his career at home.

Of course it's Pierre Dorion who hasn't been afraid to make balsy/bad trades. I imagine if he starts worrying about his job he will become increasingly willing to take massive risks.

If it can't be done with a combination of other picks and prospects, I don't like it.

But again, Dorion. So who the f*** knows.

No kidding. A likely top 5 pick plus a good prospect and another piece or two above that is an insane price to pay. But we all know how Pierre gets when he really wants a player.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Need Ottawa to go on a bit of a hot streak, get that pick in the 8-12 range.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Didn't Dorion flat out say he was looking to move the 22 first rounder for help next year, right around the same time they were scouting Fiala? Pretty sure there have already been discussions with that as a base, will now depend on how the season and playoffs work out.

 

[Neiler]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorion was looking at Fiala, Hartman or Dumba.

No secret Minnesota has to shed some dollars for the next few years so I don't see Hartman really being a possibility with that 1.7M cap hit but that along with his style of play is probably what would put him on Dorion's radar.

Ottawa needs a change on RD big time and Dumba with that 6M cap hit could be a thought for both sides.

Fiala is obvious, that's what this thread is about.

Could see Dorion willing to give up any of JBD, Thomson, Jarventie, Brannstrom, Gaudette, Lodin, Sokolov, Gustavsson, Mandolese as well as picks. I don't think the 1st this year or next should be on the table but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. I see Greig mentioned a lot, I bet that's a no go. He's exactly the type of player they seem to have been after for the rebuild.

There is definitely good fuel for a trade here.

 

[BondraTime]

Need Ottawa to go on a bit of a hot streak, get that pick in the 8-12 range.

If the pick lands in that range, Sens should absolutely put it on the table for Fiala. If it’s inside the top 5 (Wright/Slaf/Cooley/Nemec/Jiricek all fitting the Sens needs to a tee) it should be off the table. Of course Sens list could be 100% different and they could have a guy they love in the 8-12 range, but I think the chances of them getting in that range is nearly nil. I’d trade a top 10 protected 2023 for sure, again, a guy that MAY be ready in 2025/26 isn’t something the Sens need.

Sens don’t need another guy that will make the NHL in 2/3 years. They want to start competing now, Fiala would become their best/2nd best offensive player in his prime at 26.

Make the money work, have Fiala line up next to Stutzle for the next few years, and for the first time in more than a decade have 2 lines that can humble the opponents.

Sens don’t need another Boucher or Kemell/Savoie who will take 3 years to get going, they need guys now.

I’d offer 2022 1st (~8th or lower) + B prospect + 2nd/3rd, give or take for a signed Fiala

 

[Sota Popinski]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorion was looking at Fiala, Hartman or Dumba.

No secret Minnesota has to shed some dollars for the next few years so I don't see Hartman really being a possibility with that 1.7M cap hit but that along with his style of play is probably what would put him on Dorion's radar.

Ottawa needs a change on RD big time and Dumba with that 6M cap hit could be a thought for both sides.

Fiala is obvious, that's what this thread is about.

Could see Dorion willing to give up any of JBD, Thomson, Jarventie, Brannstrom, Gaudette, Lodin, Sokolov, Gustavsson, Mandolese as well as picks. I don't think the 1st this year or next should be on the table but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. I see Greig mentioned a lot, I bet that's a no go. He's exactly the type of player they seem to have been after for the rebuild.

There is definitely good fuel for a trade here.

Without Ottawa's 1st, the prospects you listed don't come anywhere close to fuel for a trade for Fiala or Dumba.

 

[Qward]

if ottawa is going to trade for fiala then dorion is going to stupidly overpay, he ends up doing that for all players that he telegraphs that he wants

all wild fans should be excited

"When I first met Joe Sakic after I became the GM of Ottawa, I told him if you ever want to move Matt Duchene to let me know."

Man is a buffoon

 

[SpezDispenser]

If the pick lands in that range, Sens should absolutely put it on the table for Fiala. If it’s inside the top 5 (Wright/Slaf/Cooley/Nemec/Jiricek all fitting the Sens needs to a tee) it should be off the table. Of course Sens list could be 100% different and they could have a guy they love in the 8-12 range, but I think the chances of them getting in that range is nearly nil. I’d trade a top 10 protected 2023 for sure, again, a guy that MAY be ready in 2025/26 isn’t something the Sens need.

Sens don’t need another guy that will make the NHL in 2/3 years. They want to start competing now, Fiala would become their best/2nd best offensive player in his prime at 26.

Make the money work, have Fiala line up next to Stutzle for the next few years, and for the first time in more than a decade have 2 lines that can humble the opponents.

Sens don’t need another Boucher or Kemell/Savoie who will take 3 years to get going, they need guys now.

I’d offer 2022 1st (~8th or lower) + B prospect + 2nd/3rd, give or take for a signed Fiala

100 percent this. 2022 1st top 5 protected, b level prospect plus a 2nd. That's excellent value for both sides imo

 

[BondraTime]

100 percent this. 2022 1st top 5 protected, b level prospect plus a 2nd. That's excellent value for both sides imo

Well there won’t be any protected pick this year, any trade will take place after the draft lottery, so Sens will either know or not know if they will value the pick enough to keep or trade.

If they value the pick they’re given after the lottery, a protected 2023 1st would become the next in line for 1st’s.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorion was looking at Fiala, Hartman or Dumba.

No secret Minnesota has to shed some dollars for the next few years so I don't see Hartman really being a possibility with that 1.7M cap hit but that along with his style of play is probably what would put him on Dorion's radar.

Ottawa needs a change on RD big time and Dumba with that 6M cap hit could be a thought for both sides.

Fiala is obvious, that's what this thread is about.

Could see Dorion willing to give up any of JBD, Thomson, Jarventie, Brannstrom, Gaudette, Lodin, Sokolov, Gustavsson, Mandolese as well as picks. I don't think the 1st this year or next should be on the table but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. I see Greig mentioned a lot, I bet that's a no go. He's exactly the type of player they seem to have been after for the rebuild.

There is definitely good fuel for a trade here.

As Russo reported, it's fiala. Hartman wouldn't be traded. Dumba is very much loved by Guerin and he wants to very much keep him. Everyone knows it's fiala he's looking at.

 

[stempniaksen]

OTT 1st 2022 (7-11 range) + Jarventie/Sokolov + Gustavsson/Merilainen

I wonder if that type of deal is enough or if Ridly Greig is the make or break piece.

 

[Qward]

He is going to cost us a lot. Add the premium for Dorion making the trade.

C. Brown + Grieg + a goalie prospect + 1st

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I find all this chatter unsettling… unless Fiala will actually agree to extend in Ottawa.

Scenario 1 - Fiala not willing to extend - Fiala is a 1 season rental which we should not be opening up the futures bank for, especially with returns being discussed

Scenario 2 - Fiala willing to extend - but because Ottawa presumably gave up a bundle, has all the leverage in negotiations and Ottawa has to overpay, which is huge organizational challenge because of internal $$ reasons and having a handful pricey contracts for your stud/stud-light players coming off ELC on the horizon

Scenario 3 - Fiala willing to sign with Sens on fair contract, no bonuses etc - sure, okay, let’s find the trade that neither fanbase likes (the fair deal) - but this seems like the least likely scenario because Ottawa

 

[57special]

I would imagine that any trade of Fiala in the summer would involve the acquiring team being allowed to talk contract with Fiala before the trade. If Fiala(or his agent) does not play along then he will be worth less, of course.

IMO, any team wanting to sign Fiala should expect to offer a long term contract of 6-8 years for about 6.75-7.5M. I would gladly pay that as a Wild fan, but the Suter and Parise buyouts have killed that dream.

Fiala has his faults, but he is a 1st line talent. His skills, athleticism, and ability to be an offensive difference maker are special traits.

 

[BondraTime]

Ottawa won’t be trading for Fiala without an agreed upon extension prior, Duchene trade ensures that.

If no extension is agreed upon, Ottawa won’t be making a trade.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

I find all this chatter unsettling… unless Fiala will actually agree to extend in Ottawa.

Scenario 1 - Fiala not willing to extend - Fiala is a 1 season rental which we should not be opening up the futures bank for, especially with returns being discussed

Scenario 2 - Fiala willing to extend - but because Ottawa presumably gave up a bundle, has all the leverage in negotiations and Ottawa has to overpay, which is huge organizational challenge because of internal $$ reasons and having a handful pricey contracts for your stud/stud-light players coming off ELC on the horizon

Scenario 3 - Fiala willing to sign with Sens on fair contract, no bonuses etc - sure, okay, let’s find the trade that neither fanbase likes (the fair deal) - but this seems like the least likely scenario because Ottawa

Scenario 2 wouldn't happen Sens would ask to talk to Fiala, and have the contract negotiated before a trade even took place.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorion was looking at Fiala, Hartman or Dumba.

No secret Minnesota has to shed some dollars for the next few years so I don't see Hartman really being a possibility with that 1.7M cap hit but that along with his style of play is probably what would put him on Dorion's radar.

Ottawa needs a change on RD big time and Dumba with that 6M cap hit could be a thought for both sides.

Fiala is obvious, that's what this thread is about.

Could see Dorion willing to give up any of JBD, Thomson, Jarventie, Brannstrom, Gaudette, Lodin, Sokolov, Gustavsson, Mandolese as well as picks. I don't think the 1st this year or next should be on the table but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. I see Greig mentioned a lot, I bet that's a no go. He's exactly the type of player they seem to have been after for the rebuild.

There is definitely good fuel for a trade here.

Please take Dumba (not because he's bad but because Fiala is so good). Fiala with legit 1st line linemates and #1 PP time with offense running through him could easily score 90+ points as a play driver for a line. There's a large contingent of Wild fans that will follow Fiala as superfans wherever he goes. So, please take Dumba so the Wild can continue to have two lines with a Kaprizov and a Fiala anchoring them. Fiala = pretty much an automatic top 30 line in expected goals % even with mediocre linemates.

 

[Nino Noderreiter]

I would imagine that any trade of Fiala in the summer would involve the acquiring team being allowed to talk contract with Fiala before the trade. If Fiala(or his agent) does not play along then he will be worth less, of course.

IMO, and team wanting to sign Fiala should expect to offer a long term contract of 6-8 years for about 6.75=7.5M. I would gladly pay that as a Wild fan, but the Suter and Parise buyouts have killed that dream.

Fiala has his faults, but he is a 1st line talent. His skills, athleticism, and ability to be an offensive difference maker are special traits.

I would go as far to say that you're getting a potential steal of a price based on upside that Fiala has compared to other forwards in that price range. A lot of times when you're paying a player on deals in these scenarios you're paying for past production & hoping future production is at that level...with Fiala his production over the last 3 seasons warrants that price range and there is reason to think that you could actually still have untapped upside in terms of point production for a variety of factors.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Ottawa won’t be trading for Fiala without an agreed upon extension prior, Duchene trade ensures that.

If no extension is agreed upon, Ottawa won’t be making a trade.

This is the biggest roadblock. Fiala might not be interested in signing an extension and if that is the case, who else do we target?

We desperately need a bonafide top 6 forward.

 

[Bazeek]

This is the biggest roadblock. Fiala might not be interested in signing an extension and if that is the case, who else do we target?

We desperately need a bonafide top 6 forward.

It's hard to say at this point, but indications from the last few rounds of contract talks were that Fiala's (non-monetary) priorities revolve mostly around role. If Ottawa's looking to play him as a 1st line winger and have done a credible job building their core over the last few years, I'd be surprised if he'd turn his nose up.

He could force his way to UFA by filing for arbitration and waiting a year, but he'll be coming off a fantastic season. Waiting another year to negotiate a long term deal has its own risks.

 

[Groo]

This is the biggest roadblock. Fiala might not be interested in signing an extension and if that is the case, who else do we target?

We desperately need a bonafide top 6 forward.

I'd look to Arizona and try and pick off Keller

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

This is the biggest roadblock. Fiala might not be interested in signing an extension and if that is the case, who else do we target?

We desperately need a bonafide top 6 forward.

Giroux. Very easily. In fact, we might have a tough time ignoring Giroux's interest to be on this team next year. Though I do not see it happening with Brown here as well. If we don't get Fiala, Giroux is as good as ours. Great position to be in.

 

[57special]

I would go as far to say that you're getting a potential steal of a price based on upside that Fiala has compared to other forwards in that price range. A lot of times when you're paying a player on deals in these scenarios you're paying for past production & hoping future production is at that level...with Fiala his production over the last 3 seasons warrants that price range and there is reason to think that you could actually still have untapped upside in terms of point production for a variety of factors.

I don't disagree. Tkachuk and Fiala on a line together would be interesting. We've all seen what Kevin has done when he finally got to play with talent(Boldy), rather than the Victor Rasks, Bjugstads, and Freddy Gaudreaus of the world.

 

[PatrickMcC]

I'm of the mindset that the Sens should keep Connor Brown as I believe that they value him quite a bit. With acquiring Mathieu Joseph, it makes having both Joseph and Formenton very redundant. Formenton is the better player of the 2 and also the younger player. My best package to Minnesota would be Formenton, Ridly Greig, and a 2nd. I feel like that is more than fair for Fiala. We can argue on what pick should be included, if Minnesota desperately wants a 1st round pick included in this deal then we can offer up our 2024 1st as other teams have done that at the deadline. We are in no position to be trading our 1st this year or next year for anything less than a surefire stud.