Rumor: Wild and Senators (Fiala)

[AKL]

I'm trying to figure out why Ottawa wants Fiala if the reason they're trading Brown is because they can't afford him.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I'm trying to figure out why Ottawa wants Fiala if the reason they're trading Brown is because they can't afford him.

Right? Makes zero sense...

 

[MNRube]

Brown’s productivity the last 3 years was better than I thought. Upon review, he could be a decent option on the 3rd line with Rossi & Boldy if he comes along with the right futures.

 

[Akrapovince]

I'm trying to figure out why Ottawa wants Fiala if the reason they're trading Brown is because they can't afford him.

We can afford to buy a car for 10,000$ but not a bike for the same amount of money.

Connor Brown at the trade deadline would be worth atleast a first and prospect. It’s a better bet for Edmonton to address their weakness at RW and have a player for the full year as opposed to paying a first at the deadline for some over the hill veteran for 20 or so games.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I'm trying to figure out why Ottawa wants Fiala if the reason they're trading Brown is because they can't afford him.

Right? Makes zero sense...

Seems you both not that bright. Brown is 28. Fiala is 25. We can definitely afford Brown, but the question is, who do we want locked up more? The younger guy who is a better point getter? Or the older guy who might start to decline a bit once we are actual cup contenders.

 

[AKL]

We can afford to buy a car for 10,000$ but not a bike for the same amount of money.

Connor Brown at the trade deadline would be worth atleast a first and prospect. It’s a better bet for Edmonton to address their weakness at RW and have a player for the full year as opposed to paying a first at the deadline for some over the hill veteran for 20 or so games.

Seems you both not that bright. Brown is 28. Fiala is 25. We can definitely afford Brown, but the question is, who do we want locked up more? The younger guy who is a better point getter? Or the older guy who might start to decline a bit once we are actual cup contenders.

So it's not that you can't afford to pay him, it's that his value on the ice is now lower than his trade value, and you don't want to pay him.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

So it's not that you can't afford to pay him, it's that his value on the ice is now lower than his trade value, and you don't want to pay him.

What are you talking about? We are a budget team. We need to play a bit of chess unlike other teams that can spend near the cap. Brown is fully worth whatever he is going to get, like I said, the only issue might be he's started to regress a bit in 3-4 years when we are firing in all cylinders, and we don't have him for long versus Fiala's longer longevity.

Also, it's not a 1for1 trade. Everyone fully knows Fiala costs more and is better top 6 player. Hence we paying more to get him.

 

[Akrapovince]

So it's not that you can't afford to pay him, it's that his value on the ice is now lower than his trade value, and you don't want to pay him.

Well, yes and no.

Again, I’ll use an analogy. Sorry if it doesn’t make much sense.

If you only have 1,000$ in your bank account, should you go out for a steak dinner that is worth 500$? Or go and get groceries that is worth 500$?

It doesn’t mean that the steak dinner isn’t worth 500$, it just means that it’s poor money management to pay for that.

Affording something and having the ability to pay for something is different to me. We currently have the cap space to extend Brown, can we afford to that without repercussions to our team cap structure? No.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Seems you both not that bright. Brown is 28. Fiala is 25. We can definitely afford Brown, but the question is, who do we want locked up more? The younger guy who is a better point getter? Or the older guy who might start to decline a bit once we are actual cup contenders.

I'm still hung up on how one year rental Connor Brown is worth 1st+2nd. Which team's fans have thought that to be good value outside of Ottawa fans?

 

[Akrapovince]

I'm still hung up on how one year rental Connor Brown is worth 1st+2nd. Which team's fans have thought that to be good value outside of Ottawa fans?

Teams have paid a first and prospect for players much less impactful than Connor Brown and for far less games of servitude.

And this isn’t a one off situation either, it almost happens every trade deadline like clockwork.

Now that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s worth that, but it means that someone will probably pay it. And that’s good enough for me. Even though in my opinion he’s well worth the price.

Teams can go out and trade their first and prospect for 20ish games of an over the hill veteran but there’s people that scoff at a full season of Connor Brown (a 60+ point defensive Swiss Army knife winger on an okay contact) for the same price.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Teams have paid a first and prospect for players much less impactful than Connor Brown and for far less games of servitude.

And this isn’t a one off situation either, it almost happens every trade deadline like clockwork.

Now that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s worth that, but it means that someone will probably pay it. And that’s good enough for me. Even though in my opinion he’s well worth the price.

Teams can go out and trade their first and prospect for 20ish games of an over the hill veteran but there’s people that scoff at a full season of Connor Brown (a 60+ point defensive Swiss Army knife winger on an okay contact) for the same price.

Who has Brown been playing most of his minutes with?

 

[Akrapovince]

Who has Brown been playing most of his minutes with?

He’s basically been stapled onto a line with Stützle with Paul & Formenton rotating in and out.

Pp#2 as well.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Teams have paid a first and prospect for players much less impactful than Connor Brown and for far less games of servitude.

And this isn’t a one off situation either, it almost happens every trade deadline like clockwork.

Now that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s worth that, but it means that someone will probably pay it. And that’s good enough for me. Even though in my opinion he’s well worth the price.

Teams can go out and trade their first and prospect for 20ish games of an over the hill veteran but there’s people that scoff at a full season of Connor Brown (a 60+ point defensive Swiss Army knife winger on an okay contact) for the same price.

Name one time where trading a 1st+2nd for a one year rental was a smart move.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Who has Brown been playing most of his minutes with?

Last two years? This year majority:

Paul, Stutzle

Year before:

Paul, Tierney, Stutzle

 

[Akrapovince]

Name one time where trading a 1st+2nd for a one year rental was a smart move.

Every trade at the deadline involving a 1st + for a 20 game rental must be stupid moves then.

Why do GMs even pick up phone calls on trade deadlines??

What do you think Connor Brown is worth? And what do you think we can get for him? I think it’s pretty realistic to expect that kind of return. Smart move? Unless I have a crystal ball I couldn’t tell you.

I frankly don’t care if it works out for who we trade him to, I just know if the market is right we can get that for him and history and precedence shows that as well. Whether it’s a good or not whatever I’m just trying to get assets to trade for Fiala and he helps to achieve that

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'm trying to figure out why Ottawa wants Fiala if the reason they're trading Brown is because they can't afford him.

Brown is almost 30 and ideally a third liner. He's going to get 6 per as UFA. He's a bad contract waiting to happen for anyone not looking for immediate and short term help.

The Wild don't need him.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Every trade at the deadline involving a 1st + for a 20 game rental must be stupid moves then.

Why do GMs even pick up phone calls on trade deadlines??

What do you think Connor Brown is worth? And what do you think we can get for him? I think it’s pretty realistic to expect that kind of return. Smart move? Unless I have a crystal ball I couldn’t tell you.

I frankly don’t care if it works out for who we trade him to, I just know if the market is right we can get that for him and history and precedence shows that as well. Whether it’s a good or not whatever I’m just trying to get assets to trade for Fiala and he helps to achieve that

I don't think I would be forking over a 1st+2nd for him and my team is a current contender. If you can get some other team to then more power to you. Maybe it'd be worth it to them if they can re-sign him for a couple more years. I just don't think that would be a smart move without added years.

 

[Akrapovince]

I don't think I would be forking over a 1st+2nd for him and my team is a current contender. If you can get some other team to then more power to you. Maybe it'd be worth it to them if they can re-sign him for a couple more years. I just don't think that would be a smart move without added years.

I’m not going to sit here and try to convince you that it’s a smart move by any means haha, I don’t think it is.

I’m just hard pressed to believe with some of these trade deadline deals that send a first round pick the other way for 20 games of a player that Brown couldn’t net a first round pick plus for a full year.

Do you think that he’s worth at least a first? Not necessarily to your team, but to any team?

 

[Digitalbooya]

I’m not going to sit here and try to convince you that it’s a smart move by any means haha, I don’t think it is.

I’m just hard pressed to believe with some of these trade deadline deals that send a first round pick the other way for 20 games of a player that Brown couldn’t net a first round pick plus for a full year.

Do you think that he’s worth at least a first? Not necessarily to your team, but to any team?

The 1st round pick aspect isn't what I'm doubting. It's the +2nd part.

 

[Akrapovince]

The 1st round pick aspect isn't what I'm doubting. It's the +2nd part.

Okay, my follow up question to that is, do you think Brown could get a first at the trade deadline?

If so, what do you think the plus would be to add another 60ish so games if we trade him during the off-season? If anything at all.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Reference for recent trades where 1st+2nd was sent for a "rental":

Hampus Lindholm (signed long term with team)
Seth Jones (signed long term with team)
Ristolainen (LOL Chuck Fletcher)
Pageau (signed long term)
Karlsson (signed long term)
McDonagh+Miller (McD signed long term, Miller signed long term)

 

[Sota Popinski]

At the draft

2022 Ottawa 1st (assuming it's not top 5)
Greig

For

Fiala
2022 Minnesota compensatory 2nd

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I think Ottawa would be insane to trade this or next years first round picks, even for a guy like Fiala. No guarantee that this team elevates itself out of the bottom 10, even if they bring in Fiala and a guy like Giroux decides he wants to finish out his career at home.

Of course it's Pierre Dorion who hasn't been afraid to make balsy/bad trades. I imagine if he starts worrying about his job he will become increasingly willing to take massive risks.

If it can't be done with a combination of other picks and prospects, I don't like it.

But again, Dorion. So who the f*** knows.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

41 points in Fiala’s last 37 games. He starts slow, but goes ppg+ to end the season. He’s done it every time with us.

 

[Digitalbooya]

41 points in Fiala’s last 37 games. He starts slow, but goes ppg+ to end the season. He’s done it every time with us.

It's gonna be a sad day when he is gone