Rumor: Wild and Senators (Fiala)

[PatrickMcC]

Giroux. Very easily. In fact, we might have a tough time ignoring Giroux's interest to be on this team next year. Though I do not see it happening with Brown here as well. If we don't get Fiala, Giroux is as good as ours. Great position to be in.

We should get both. Its doable for sure

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'm of the mindset that the Sens should keep Connor Brown as I believe that they value him quite a bit. With acquiring Mathieu Joseph, it makes having both Joseph and Formenton very redundant. Formenton is the better player of the 2 and also the younger player. My best package to Minnesota would be Formenton, Ridly Greig, and a 2nd. I feel like that is more than fair for Fiala. We can argue on what pick should be included, if Minnesota desperately wants a 1st round pick included in this deal then we can offer up our 2024 1st as other teams have done that at the deadline. We are in no position to be trading our 1st this year or next year for anything less than a surefire stud.

I think it's more likely the Sens will see Joseph as a guy who can bring some of what Brown brings at a significantly lower salary.

If they don't want to give Brown the long-term deal worth 5-6M a season he'll undoubtedly command, it would make sense to include him in a Fiala deal.

Wild want to contend next season and a top 6 winger like Brown at only 3.6M (or maybe slightly less with retention) would have a lot of value to them.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I think it's more likely the Sens will see Joseph as a guy who can bring some of what Brown brings at a significantly lower salary.

If they don't want to give Brown the long-term deal worth 5-6M a season he'll undoubtedly command, it would make sense to include him in a Fiala deal.

Wild want to contend next season and a top 6 winger like Brown at only 3.6M (or maybe slightly less with retention) would have a lot of value to them.

Minnesota wouldn't take on brown whose a free agent and will command money himself. They will just keep fiala and take him to arbitration instead. Also the Winger crop in free agency is stacked, Minnesota can go after a younger, better player in free agency.

 

[Boud]

Giroux. Very easily. In fact, we might have a tough time ignoring Giroux's interest to be on this team next year. Though I do not see it happening with Brown here as well. If we don't get Fiala, Giroux is as good as ours. Great position to be in.

That's wishful thinking and hope. If Giroux doesn't win the cup then I don't see him signing with a bottom 5 team just because he's from here. I'm not surprised at all he's doing his "due diligence" but for a player his caliber, at that point in his career, he'll want more than a team that has questions everywhere around their lineup. He'll have a lot of options, definitely on better teams and almost certainly for more money.

If he comes here it's because he's won the cup.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Giroux is not going to play for Ottawa.

He'll consider it but a better team will offer him more money and/or term than we will.

It is a pipedream. Stop it. Get help.

 

[57special]

Minnesota wouldn't take on brown whose a free agent and will command money himself. They will just keep fiala and take him to arbitration instead. Also the Winger crop in free agency is stacked, Minnesota can go after a younger, better player in free agency.

"Take him to arbitration instead"? At the rate he is scoring he will likely get a 6.5-8M award. How will that help them get under the cap next year?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

"Take him to arbitration instead"? At the rate he is scoring he will likely get a 6.5-8M award. How will that help them get under the cap next year?

And since this year is probably an aberration it will be a big overpay. And there are no good FA forwards under 25. Forsberg and Dom i are the closest at 27.

 

[BondraTime]

And since this year is probably an aberration it will be a big overpay.

2019-20 - 70 point pace
2020-21 - 66 point pace
2021-22 - 76 point pace

153 points in 174 games over the past 3 seasons. 72 point pace over the past 3 seasons.

Aberration definitely doesn’t relate here.

 

[57special]

And since this year is probably an aberration it will be a big overpay.

Not really. Arbitrators will look at the results in light of the shortened seasons in the past two years, and compare to others. They look at the last two years, I believe?

Fiala is 14th in pts. scored for a LW over the past two years. He would be tied for 8th among RW's- IMO he is just as good there, if not better. Both stats place him comfortably as a 1st liner. That, together with his age, makes him quite valuable.

 

[Akrapovince]

I think Ottawa would be insane to trade this or next years first round picks, even for a guy like Fiala. No guarantee that this team elevates itself out of the bottom 10, even if they bring in Fiala and a guy like Giroux decides he wants to finish out his career at home.

Of course it's Pierre Dorion who hasn't been afraid to make balsy/bad trades. I imagine if he starts worrying about his job he will become increasingly willing to take massive risks.

If it can't be done with a combination of other picks and prospects, I don't like it.

But again, Dorion. So who the f*** knows.

Offloading someone on the roster in a three way deal that sends the other team’s 1st round pick to Minny would be the only feasible option.

 

[saywut]

I'm of the mindset that the Sens should keep Connor Brown as I believe that they value him quite a bit. With acquiring Mathieu Joseph, it makes having both Joseph and Formenton very redundant. Formenton is the better player of the 2 and also the younger player. My best package to Minnesota would be Formenton, Ridly Greig, and a 2nd. I feel like that is more than fair for Fiala. We can argue on what pick should be included, if Minnesota desperately wants a 1st round pick included in this deal then we can offer up our 2024 1st as other teams have done that at the deadline. We are in no position to be trading our 1st this year or next year for anything less than a surefire stud.

Yeah I think that's fair(Ottawa's 2022 2nd). Greig's the logical piece to start from, and while Formenton's not a perfect fit(if we're healthy he's either playing with Boldy or on the 4th line) he should be cheap for a year and if he's too expensive should be moveable after.

 

[Akrapovince]

In what world is Connor Brown, an expiring unrestricted free agent that’s going to command 6m+ on a multi year deal not expendable but our homegrown team controlled penalty killing forward that can potentially score 20+ available?

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Giroux is not going to play for Ottawa.

He'll consider it but a better team will offer him more money and/or term than we will.

It is a pipedream. Stop it. Get help.

Yeah I'd be shocked.

Only way it happens is if he wins a cup this season. Or just decides he wants to ride off into the sunset in front of his friends and family.

I don't think its likely at all.

 

[SensFactor]

Giroux - long shot
Fiala - possibility
C.Brown - needs an extension

 

[57special]

I am holding out hope that Guerin is planning to sign Fiala during the offseason, and move some other contracts. I sure wouldn't bet on it, but Fiala is our 2nd most talented forward after Kaprizov. Zuccarello is having a better year, but he is 9 years older and playing with Kaprizov. I just can't see any GM willingly let that go, and prioritizing keeping players like Jost and Greenway.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I am holding out hope that Guerin is planning to sign Fiala during the offseason, and move some other contracts. I sure wouldn't bet on it, but Fiala is our 2nd most talented forward after Kaprizov. Zuccarello is having a better year, but he is 9 years older and playing with Kaprizov. I just can't see any GM willingly let that go, and prioritizing keeping players like Jost and Greenway.

He literally resigned greenway to 3 years deal. Also his comments after deadline basically says fiala is gone. Seems the negotiations pissed off Guerin last summer, and he never changed his mind about fiala. What could be an issue, this same agent represents mcBain, and dumba. So dumba would be his only client on wild.

 

[MuckOG]

He literally resigned greenway to 3 years deal. Also his comments after deadline basically says fiala is gone. Seems the negotiations pissed off Guerin last summer, and he never changed his mind about fiala. What could be an issue, this same agent represents mcBain, and dumba. So dumba would be his only client on wild.

What comments were those?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He literally resigned greenway to 3 years deal. Also his comments after deadline basically says fiala is gone. Seems the negotiations pissed off Guerin last summer, and he never changed his mind about fiala. What could be an issue, this same agent represents mcBain, and dumba. So dumba would be his only client on wild.

Again, this reflects a lot worse on Guerin than it does Fiala, considering that there were barely any negotiations.

 

[MK9]

Again, this reflects a lot worse on Guerin than it does Fiala, considering that there were barely any negotiations.

Is this factual info? Guess I'm not sure how what went on behind the scenes is anything other than conjecture on any of our parts. I get there may be inklings that would make you think that, but we don't know any of that at all.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Is this factual info? Guess I'm not sure how what went on behind the scenes is anything other than conjecture on any of our parts. I get there may be inklings that would make you think that, but we don't know any of that at all.

Russo. He said Guerin almost traded fiala last summer because of how bad negotiations went

 

[Joseph Nathan]

What comments were those?

After deadline, he made a comment , I have to go back and listen to podcast, that he's satisfied with decision that he made

Again, this reflects a lot worse on Guerin than it does Fiala, considering that there were barely any negotiations.

My worry is of there's a problem with the agent considering that's two player's now . mcBain, and fiala. Will dumba be a 3rd?

 

[MK9]

Russo. He said Guerin almost traded fiala last summer because of how bad negotiations went

Eh, I was responding to Dr. Jan Itor with my post.

I'm of the same opinion you are, that I think Guerin is set on Fiala being gone. If I recall correctly, the prior negotiations before this last one with Fiala and his agent were pretty contentious as well. But, I have very little evidence to back my beliefs either past Russo's comments.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Eh, I was responding to Dr. Jan Itor with my post.

I'm of the same opinion you are, that I think Guerin is set on Fiala being gone. If I recall correctly, the prior negotiations before this last one with Fiala and his agent were pretty contentious as well. But, I have very little evidence to back my beliefs either past Russo's comments.

True. But the biggest worry is this same agent represents jack mcBain. Traded. Guerin loves dumba and wants to keep him, but is Guerin's poor relationship with supposed agent going to be a problem?

 

[Sota Popinski]

He literally resigned greenway to 3 years deal. Also his comments after deadline basically says fiala is gone. Seems the negotiations pissed off Guerin last summer, and he never changed his mind about fiala. What could be an issue, this same agent represents mcBain, and dumba. So dumba would be his only client on wild.

He said he was comfortable with our goaltending too, and look how that turned out.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

He said he was comfortable with our goaltending too, and look how that turned out.

There's a big difference.