BruinLVGA
CZ Shadow 2 Compact: finally here!!!
I didn’t want to say anything, but I was surprised that there’s even a stat for puck battles.LOL, have to dig to find something to make AM a top 5 player eh?
I didn’t want to say anything, but I was surprised that there’s even a stat for puck battles.LOL, have to dig to find something to make AM a top 5 player eh?
It came across my hockey TL, today, impressive stat, no? thought I would share...LOL, have to dig to find something to make AM a top 5 player eh?
Hmmm, can't think of any... cause Marner has been penciled in for 80-100 points this year, Matthews will get 50+ goals, Nylander is a lock for 85-90 points, Kapanen will get 60 points at least and Liljegren is the future top pairing D man of the Maple Leafs for the next 10 years starting next season, he's going to make anyone regret not taking him sooner in the draft
I was tarred and feathered before the season began for suggesting that any of the three rookies might not reach the same totals as last year...
I know how dominating Bergeron is, which is why I use him as an example.Please. It’s not only the 4 Selke. You are an advanced stats geek, you dont need me to tell you how dominating of a two way forward Bergeron was/is, do you?
I don’t follow you about that “more than 50% of weight...”. Could you clarify what you mean? I kinda lost you there.
I have not said that Giroux and Bergeron production is close. I said that if you want to ask your “Giroux vs Bergeron” question, you ought to substitute Bergeron with another strong two way forward with a similar production to BERGERON’S.
I tried to explain to you that that’s because Bergeron is a GENERATIONAL two way forward, possibly even the best of all times, and therefore it makes him such a niche example of a player to ask that question of yours. Meaning... how exceptional he is in what he does vs his peers <- that in my opinion makes him rise above the purely points production argument. He is just THAT special.
Now... If Bergeron was just a top 5-8 two way forward, then I would pick Giroux over him. Being Mr Selke / generational (or all time best) two way forward makes him overcome the lesser production in comparison to Giroux.
I know, it's awful. Ive been reading HF Boards for 5+years and I've never seen a fanbase severely overrate their players as bad as Toronto does.
Because he is.
I will say something positive: I love their passion...
Seems like you will be wrong. They all will surpass there previous point totals.I was tarred and feathered before the season began for suggesting that any of the three rookies might not reach the same totals as last year...
Because he isn’t remotely close to being generational and/or all time best. Bergeron is there or nearly there as far as two way forwards are concerned.
PS: and it’s not “only Matthews”. Replace him with any forward who isn't generational or close to it and that’s the same treatment.
I know, it's awful. Ive been reading HF Boards for 5+years and I've never seen a fanbase severely overrate their players as bad as Toronto does.
I hope you are aware that both Marner and Nylander have worse ppg than last year...Seems like you will be wrong. They all will surpass there previous point totals.
I was tarred and feathered before the season began for suggesting that any of the three rookies might not reach the same totals as last year...
Your argument at that point heavily relied on the theory of a sophomore slump. Which is a faulty argument for high-end young forwards. At the time, I said Marner was a likely regression candidate (as was Laine and Werenski) to reach their point totals or PPG of last year, given their underlying numbers. This could be offset by more minutes. Considering we are at game 41, and they are only off their totals by about 2 to 4 points, I'd say its a bit early to claim victory on that one, as I would be if I claimed it on my points on which sophomores were likely to regress.I was tarred and feathered before the season began for suggesting that any of the three rookies might not reach the same totals as last year...
Using just points except when it's Bergeron seems really convenient. I think what makes Matthews elite is that he's equally strong on and off the puck, just using points ignores that.
I've always liked Kessel but just using the points he scores ignores the weaker aspects of his game.
I don't think you can group players as generational by play-type to be honest. You are either the best player of your generation with the hardware to support it (Harts and Pearsons) or you aren't.So, you are inferring that Bergeron is not generational as a two way forward, nor that being tied for first for Selke trophies could be a good beginning to start the discussion for him being the best two way forward ever?
Next question: do you see Matthews having elevated himself above his peers the same way Bergeron elevated himself above the other two way forwards? Does it look similar to you?
Your argument at that point heavily relied on the theory of a sophomore slump. Which is a faulty argument for high-end young forwards. At the time, I said Marner was a likely regression candidate (as was Laine and Werenski) to reach their point totals or PPG of last year, given their underlying numbers. This could be offset by more minutes. Considering we are at game 41, and they are only off their totals by about 2 to 4 points, I'd say its a bit early to claim victory on that one, as I would be if I claimed it on my points on which sophomores were likely to regress.
Players, especially forwards don't disproportionally slump in year 2. Players slump pretty much equally from year to year regardless of age. There are fall-offs at certain ages which are more predictable, but that doesn't apply to young players.
The sophomore slump has no real basis. Its mostly a symptom of rookies who put up numbers they have trouble ever matching again (therefore they had an aberration of a year) and people expecting too much growth with the players not living up to it.
Didn't you also call for the Leafs to fall out of the playoffs in those same threads, which doesn't look likely at the moment.Call it whatever you want, splice it any way you like. Bottom line, I said that there was a strong possibility that 1, maybe 2 of the 3 rookies (I didn’t think Matthews would regress: I was right) would regress. The wave of Leafs fans outrage at that was intense. Fast forward half a season later and it looks like they should have been tarred & feathered.
Why is Auston Matthews considered a top-ten, even top-five player already? Obviously he had an incredible rookie season, but having him rated above guys like Stamkos, Schiefele, etc is unjustified imo. I will name all the forwards I think are better than him.
(In no order)
McDavid
Stamkos
Kucherov
Crosby
Malkin
Ovechkin
Tarasenko
Tavares
Benn
Backstrom
Kane
Gaudreau
Schiefele
Wheeler
Just of the top of my head. In the future Matthews could pass most of these guys, but why is he already considered so great? Toronto Bias?
So, you are inferring that Bergeron is not generational as a two way forward, nor that being tied for first for Selke trophies could be a good beginning to start the discussion for him being the best two way forward ever?
Next question: do you see Matthews having elevated himself above his peers the same way Bergeron elevated himself above the other two way forwards? Does it look similar to you?
I don't think you can group players as generational by play-type to be honest. You are either the best player of your generation with the hardware to support it (Harts and Pearsons) or you aren't.
Call it whatever you want, splice it any way you like. Bottom line, I said that there was a strong possibility that 1, maybe 2 of the 3 rookies (I didn’t think Matthews would regress: I was right) would regress. The wave of Leafs fans outrage at that was intense. Fast forward half a season later and it looks like they should have been tarred & feathered.