Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go? Late bloomers appreciation thread

[TheImpatientPanther]

Lol. A .5 ppg AHL player is a borderline NHL player 99.99% of the time. Which you know

plus if you have a look at the Marlies roster while he was here, it's clear we prioritized some imports and other picks more.

When traded, he had scored 8 goals and 9 pts in a 5 game AHL stretch and had 13 goals and 18 pts in 24 games.
Those are pretty good numbers in a sink or swim year for NHL audition.

Just seems odd they developed him so long, only to move him after 4 NHL games coming off a decent start to the 2019-20 AHL season.

 

[Edgelord]

When traded, he had scored 8 goals and 9 pts in a 5 game stretch and had 13 goals and 18 pts in 24 games.
Those are pretty good numbers in a sink or swim year for NHL audition.

Just seems odd they developed him so long, only to move him after 4 NHL games coming off a decent start to the 2019-20 AHL season.

It was the Leafs mindset, remember when Dubas came in he put skill over truculence and Marchment would have been seen as a Burke type player, so he kind of unfairly got left behind as far as development assistance went.
Like an earlier poster mentioned, it does make a ton of sense that he quietly asked for a trade.

 

[Knies iT]

I guess it's more of an admiration thread for Marchment but also can be discussion about other players that fell through the cracks.
Sometimes it's nice to appreciate the underdog stories and not gush over the superstars all the time?

You’re a weird person.

 

[MCR74]

You’re a weird person.

It's a veiled troll thread. Admiration, my ass...

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Frank Vatrano for the Bruins. Local kid, had great start, then became blah. Had a good last couple years with Ducks and could probably fetch assets at deadline

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Frank Vatrano for the Bruins. Local kid, had great start, then became blah. Had a good last couple years with Ducks and could probably fetch assets at deadline

Frank the Tank, could use him back in Florida right now. Been fairly consistent ever since going to FLA.

Rask was a good find in trade for you guys.

 

[The90]

When traded, he had scored 8 goals and 9 pts in a 5 game AHL stretch and had 13 goals and 18 pts in 24 games.
Those are pretty good numbers in a sink or swim year for NHL audition.

Just seems odd they developed him so long, only to move him after 4 NHL games coming off a decent start to the 2019-20 AHL season.

He had never been a ppg player in his entire career including junior. Hindsight is 20-20

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Just the way she f***in' goes.

 

[Dr Pepper]

And Marchessault had been part of the Rangers AHL team, the Blue Jackets and Lightning before getting to Florida.

Yep.

Like I said, sometimes teams make mistakes.

Could probably find a similar example for every team if you wanted to.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

To you both, these are the trades that add up though in a GMs timeline.
The key pieces that fall through the cracks.

Panthers have benefitted from Forsling and Verhaeghe. Key contributors who were after thoughts on other teams and by other GMs.



For sure. That's more my point. These are the mistakes that add up against one GM and work for another.
Just wild to think of lost players from each team that just click when given the chance or bigger role.

What's Greg McKegg up to these days?

Great name.

edit: https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=116058

 

[Chainshot]

Yep.

Like I said, sometimes teams make mistakes.

Could probably find a similar example for every team if you wanted to.

Yep. Sometimes it's the team. Sometimes it's the player getting a kick in the pants or finally getting a chance or any of a myriad set of circumstances. But every team has had players they let go who have turned out somewhere else.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

WHY DID NO ONE SELECT MARTIN ST. LOUIS IN THE 2000 EXPANSION DRAFT

ARE THEY ALL STUPID?

WHY DID EDMONTON GIVE UP ON JESSE PULLLJIYARVI? HE JUST SCORED THE GAME 7 STANLEY CUP FINAL GOAL FOR WHATEVER TEAM HE'S ON NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Very nicely put Bear of Bad News.

I thought this might be a Mulletman thread, but it's not.

 

[Chainshot]

Just the way she f***in' goes.

 

[Dread Clawz]

What's Greg McKegg up to these days?

Great name.

edit: https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=116058

Hyman wasn't going to sign with the Panthers. They got what they could. Kyper and Bourne even talked about it.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I would suggest one issue with leafs losing some forwards to elsewhere is the core 4. If you can play with them and find chemistry like Bunting then great. If not and you are on the bottom two lines you are given very little opportunity to show what you can do and if you can’t do it on your own they consider you expendable.
Michael Amadio is a great example. Couldn’t find much ice waived and has been great for Vegas and is probably exactly what the leafs could use now.
Marchment was more of what management valued at time which is a function of my first point above.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Lol, it's not the Leafs, it's NHL coaching overall. If a player somehow doesn't fit the system, an NHL coach will never bother to get the best out of him and rather let him rotten in AHL or trade him. It's true about 80% of NHL coaches...

And then the player becomes a star on another team.

 

[MessierII]

What's the story of Hasek again?
How was he gifted to Buffalo?

Nothing too crazy just the same situation. He came into the league backing up Ed Belfour. They had a good team in the early 90’s with belfour and Chelios plus Roenick up front. They lost to the pens in the finals and then traded Hasek for some nothing prospect in the summer.

Just the way she f***in' goes.

Sometimes she goes. Sometimes she doesn’t go. Didn’t go tonight boys. Way she goes.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

who cares about Midson Midment.

The real "late bloomer who got away" is JT Miller, who was given up on by the Rangers AND the Lightning and then became a stud.

 

[OVO16]

Lmao you can name a player like this for every team in the league. Only because of the leafs do we need to start a thread and start another bash fest

Leafs haters are adorable. OP a troll and the mods allow it

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I LOVED Tucker but I'm not sure I agree, only because if he existed today the Refs would target him.

They did it with Bunting and he's not even CLOSE to Tucker.

Losing Hyman hurt the Leafs long term more than Leafs management will admit. They really should have kept him and traded Nylander. I know Nylander had higher upside but winning cups isn’t about icing the most talent, it’s about icing the right mix of players and too bad leafs management still don’t see this

 

[Mattb124]

Surprised no one has mentioned Barabanov (another player the Leafs traded for peanuts), although most posters here don’t stay awake late enough to watch him. He put up 47 in 68 for the Sharks a few years back and remains a solid top-6 player.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Marchment-Jarvis-Verhaeghe... an entire line costing less than one of the big 4, that the Leafs (Dubas) pissed away for nothing.

Point of clarity .. Lou Lam dumped Verhaeghe to the NYI with 4 other prospects for Michael Grabner.

Funny enough, Lou also let Verhaeghe walk as a UFA once he was GM of the Isles, who then went and won a cup in Tampa in a depth role before breaking out in Florida.

 

[Stephen]

Mason Marchment is on pace to break career highs in both goals and points in Dallas.

He's developed into a solid top 6 player who brings size, old school physicality but also a great offensive toolbox with decent hands, good defense who looks to be capable of 20 goal, 50+ pt seasons if healthy.

He's turning 29 in June but a player Toronto would likely crave at this point of their year no?
How did they fumble this so bad?
He was traded to Florida for Denis Malgin in 2020 who played 30(?) games for the Leafs and overseas now.

Still missed by Panther fans, he's found a great fit in Dallas. Fun player to watch.

**Feel free to discuss about other players who've bloomed late and fell through the cracks of other teams**

More crucially, how did Florida ever let a solid top 6 who brings size, old school physicality but also great offensive toolbox with decent hands leave via free agency? At least we got Denis Malgin back, what can you say?

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I would suggest one issue with leafs losing some forwards to elsewhere is the core 4. If you can play with them and find chemistry like Bunting then great. If not and you are on the bottom two lines you are given very little opportunity to show what you can do and if you can’t do it on your own they consider you expendable.
Michael Amadio is a great example. Couldn’t find much ice waived

No, he's not a great example. He played all of 3 games with the Leafs.

Hell, he was on a 2 way contract after nobody wanted him in the summer time as a free agent.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

No, he's not a great example. He played all of 3 games with the Leafs.

Hell, he was on a 2 way contract after nobody wanted him in the summer time as a free agent.

He played three games because they gave him no chance.