Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go? Late bloomers appreciation thread

[TheImpatientPanther]

every TEAM has a list of late bloomers who got away. Obviously you comprehension is not your strong point

I know, that's what this thread has turned into.
Settle down on the insults, discuss the thread topic or feel free to leave since you find it so silly.

Crazy thing is that Hasek was left unprotected in the next expansion draft (1993) and both Anaheim and Florida passed on him.

Thanks for that info, didn't know that.
Beezer was pretty good in his day and during the 96 Cup run but damn, Hasek would have been fun to watch in any jersey he wore. Such an unique player/goalie

 

[Menzinger]

IIRC Marchment (who really should have been given more than 4 games) wasn't waiver exempt, and I believe the Leafs had someone coming off of the IR which needed a roster .. rather than risk losing him for nothing, they traded for someone who is waiver exempt. Not that I'm saying it was the right move, but those were some additional circumstances around it.

Moore was used as a chip in the trade for Campbell, to stabilize the goaltending. I wouldn't say he was just thrown away.

The Leafs didn't want to go an extra year and 500K for Hyman from what I recall was reported. At the time of that contract, I don't think anyone thought that the contract was particularly good and it could age horribly. But Hyman has gone against the grain and elevated his play, making the most out of playing with McDavid and Draisaitl. He wouldn't have had this level of success if he were still with the Leafs IMO (a lot of it is because of the lack of PP time). And he wasn't a particular standout in any post season games with the Leafs.

Yep. I think most Leafs fans would likely wish the.lbteam could have a redo on the Hyman extension (myself included), but it's not as if they decision to let him walk was completely unfounded.

As you rightly point out, there wasn't a single post season performance by him as a Leaf that you could point to as being fantastic. He was decent for some, less so for others.

He also had an extensive injury history while a Leaf (which seemingly impacted in some of his lesser playoff series). Which isn't exactly a great trend to have heading into a long term contract. Fortunately for the Oilers he's seemingly avoided that being an issue.

It's been amazing to see his production explode with the Oilers. He's a very likeable player. Albeit having a historical anomaly in terms of career trends

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Justin Bourne, who was the video coach with the Marlies for 2 years under Dubas and Keefe, said he was really surprised when they let Marchment go because those two had been big believers in him and that the organization had devoted a lot of time and resources to helping Marchment reach his potential.

He said ultimately it came down to health. They stopped believing he could stay healthy enough to play often enough to be a worthwhile investment so they punted on him.

Thought it was an interesting insight.

 

[The90]

I know, that's what this thread has turned into.
Settle down on the insults, discuss the thread topic or feel free to leave since you find it so silly.



Thanks for that info, didn't know that.
Beezer was pretty good in his day and during the 96 Cup run but damn, Hasek would have been fun to watch in any jersey he wore. Such an unique player/goalie

= This is about the team I want to drag through the mud, not the hundreds of examples of the very same thing happening to every team in the league

 

[Arthur Morgan]

thats sports. not every player breaks out or even shows promise with their original clubs.
good on Marchment. never cared when they traded him even if it looks bad now. glad to see him do well but who knows. maybe he never would have gotten enough of a shot here to become an NHLer.

not like this was Rask for Raycroft

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Shoutout to one of my childhood favorites, Mike Knuble

 

[Figgy44]

He's out of the league now, couldn't of been that good if he hung up the skates.

Doesn't he spend most of his time on the bench in Montreal? I don't think he even gets ice time any more.

 

[Leaf Fans]

50 games 39 points.
Like his style and loved the hit on MCabe. Pay backs a bitch.
But the leafs have Max Domi now, so I'm sure they dont regret letting Marchment go and getting squat for him. lol

Not really. He only had to pay back $5000.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Just like with McCabe, he showed up a bit later and hit a bit higher than expected.

Cool the dude is succeeding, but that was a greasy hit. I won’t ask for a suspension, no obvious concussion so it’s fine.

 

[ijuka]

Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go?​

Because he was bad at the time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Because he was bad at the time.

You determined that from 4 NHL games,

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Mason is on pace for 90pts this year. What a horrible move by Dubas to let him go. The guy is hitting his prime right now.

 

[NVious]

Marchment
McCann
Kadri
Hyman

Can't spell dumbass without Dubas

 

[Peasy]

Marchment
Verhaeghe
McCann
Kadri
Hyman

Can't spell dumbass without Dubas

TBF Verhaeghe was Lou.

But I dunno how Dubas has so many defenders still. His track record speaks for itself.

 

[Bomber0104]

Our ex-GM was a moron who wanted to ice the softest/smallest team possible, nothing more to it than that.

 

[benfranklin]

Top 5 most hateable guy in the league.

 

[account deactivated]

Mason is on pace for 90pts this year. What a horrible move by Dubas to let him go. The guy is hitting his prime right now.

He's played well, but it's all about the chemistry between him, Seguin, and Duchene. Without Duchene I don't think Seguin or Marchment is sniffing the totals they've had so far, he's been the driver for so much of our offense.

 

[serp]

He's played well, but it's all about the chemistry between him, Seguin, and Duchene. Without Duchene I don't think Seguin or Marchment is sniffing the totals they've had so far, he's been the driver for so much of our offense.

He's clearly much better by himself now too though and is no longer mostly carried by the other two. He was much easier to get off balance in previous years.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I mean, Marchment was a 4th liner and AHL player when he left Toronto. We can all at least admit those basic facts right? The fact he went on to a new franchise, who then helped him reach his potential and he left THEM, but the talk is still of the Leafs is odd.

Why is the talk not about the Panthers pulling a Leafs with Hyman (a much more relevant comparison) and letting Marchment walk for 4.5 AAV?

 

[MCR74]

I mean, Marchment was a 4th liner and AHL player when he left Toronto. We can all at least admit those basic facts right? The fact he went on to a new franchise, who then helped him reach his potential and he left THEM, but the talk is still of the Leafs is odd.

Why is the talk not about the Panthers pulling a Leafs with Hyman (a much more relevant comparison) and letting Marchment walk for 4.5 AAV?

You know why.

 

[Channelcat]

Tradition

 

[hamzarocks]

I mean, Marchment was a 4th liner and AHL player when he left Toronto. We can all at least admit those basic facts right? The fact he went on to a new franchise, who then helped him reach his potential and he left THEM, but the talk is still of the Leafs is odd.

Why is the talk not about the Panthers pulling a Leafs with Hyman (a much more relevant comparison) and letting Marchment walk for 4.5 AAV?

Panthers got 2 cup runs/1 cup since Marchment was let go and leafs have had same playoff fortunes.

Yes a lot of posters hate and make thinly veiled threads to troll TML but the leafs performance usually makes it so where we can't defend letting go of a player who has success elsewhere was smart. At 4.5M Marchment would be a very good add in top 6 and it only costs us Jarnkrok+Kampf off the roster in AAV terms.

Hopefully, with Treliving focused on the D+G we can be the team that acquires guys who break into prominent roles from other teams.

Previously we got bad value for quite a few good players (verhaghe, kadri, mcmann, marchment, hyman).

 

[HockeyVirus]

Panthers got 2 cup runs/1 cup since Marchment was let go and leafs have had same playoff fortunes.

Yes a lot of posters hate and make thinly veiled threads to troll TML but the leafs performance usually makes it so where we can't defend letting go of a player who has success elsewhere was smart. At 4.5M Marchment would be a very good add in top 6 and it only costs us Jarnkrok+Kampf off the roster in AAV terms.

Hopefully, with Treliving focused on the D+G we can be the team that acquires guys who break into prominent roles from other teams.

Previously we got bad value for quite a few good players (verhaghe, kadri, mcmann, marchment, hyman).

This still doesn't make any sense. Maybe the Panthers have 2 cups instead of 1. Leafs here are mostly irrelevant to the situation. Like sure, Dubas messed up. But Marchment didn't leave and then put up 90 points. He played for the Leafs 5 years ago which is an eternity in sports.

The Panthers were the ones who identified the player,. put them in the right position, saw the value they provided, and let him walk for a steal to another contender.

Just like no one is saying "man how did the Panthers let Hyman go for McKegg. Oilers are really benefiting from their mistake". No, because it was the Leafs who found the player and got them to where they are only to let them go for free.

 

[hamzarocks]

This still doesn't make any sense. Maybe the Panthers have 2 cups instead of 1. Leafs here are mostly irrelevant to the situation. Like sure, Dubas messed up. But Marchment didn't leave and then put up 90 points. He played for the Leafs 5 years ago which is an eternity in sports.

The Panthers were the ones who identified the player,. put them in the right position, saw the value they provided, and let him walk for a steal to another contender.

Just like no one is saying "man how did the Panthers let Hyman go for McKegg. Oilers are really benefiting from their mistake". No, because it was the Leafs who found the player and got them to where they are only to let them go for free.

If the panthers keep Marchment someone making good money has to be out to fit in his 4.5M

Cant see any panther fan wanting Marchment over Lundell, Bennett, Verhaghe.

E-Rod vs Marchment you can argue but again 1 cup + another final appearance will make a team not care about ppg marchment as actual acheived success has been obtained, so they dont get upset over hypothetical abilities of Panthers roster in 2023 and 2024 with Marchment having been kept.

Like how no one cares how many picks Tampa blew early on in their rebuild (Connolly - 6OA, Koekoek - 11th OA i think, Drouin - 3OA, Foote -.14th or 15th OA). As long as you have tangible ultimate success, the what-ifs are not as discussed due to winning the ultimate prize of a cup with the roster you chose.

Leafs had they won a cup, no one gives a cup about Marchment being gone.

Panthers have a bad contract in Knight but no one calls them out on it b/c Bob clutched up and got the job done and his bad deal/move hasnt stopped the panthers from still being strong contenders

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Marchment
McCann
Kadri
Hyman

Can't spell dumbass without Dubas

But they got Malgin back in return