Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go? Late bloomers appreciation thread

[MCR74]

For those who complain about "too many Leaf threads on the main board"...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Mason Marchment is on pace to break career highs in both goals and points in Dallas.

He's developed into a solid top 6 player who brings size, old school physicality but also a great offensive toolbox with decent hands, good defense who looks to be capable of 20 goal, 50+ pt seasons if healthy.

He's turning 29 in June but a player Toronto would likely crave at this point of their year no?
How did they fumble this so bad?
He was traded to Florida for Denis Malgin in 2020 who played 30(?) games for the Leafs and overseas now.

Still missed by Panther fans, he's found a great fit in Dallas. Fun player to watch.

**Feel free to discuss about other players who've bloomed late and fell through the cracks of other teams**

How did they fumble him So bad?

The same way your boys fumbled Zach Hyman and traded him for Greg Mckeeg.

There was ZERO reason to believe Mason Marchment was an NHL player.

It happens.

It happened with Marchment

Hyman

3 times with Verheage including Tampa.

St Louis was waived.

Giguere was gifted to the Ducks.

Hasek was Gifted to Buffalo.

Kipper to the Flames.

Patrick Sharp to Chicago.

I could do this all day especially if we got into Milbury's track record if Milbury was good at his job chances are the run Chicago had goes to the NYI.

It happens

Carter Verhaeghe is another guy that slipped under the Leafs thumb while he was in their system.

That one doesn't boter me because the NYI and TB let him go too.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

How did they fumble him So bad?

The same way your boys fumbled Zach Hyman and traded him for Greg Mckeeg.

There was ZERO reason to believe Mason Marchment was an NHL player.

It happens.

It happened with Marchment

Hyman

3 times with Verheage including Tampa.

St Louis was waived.

Giguere was gifted to the Ducks.

Hasek was Gifted to Buffalo.

Kipper to the Flames.

Patrick Sharp to Chicago.

I could do this all day especially if we got into Milbury's track record if Milbury was good at his job chances are the run Chicago had goes to the NYI.

It happens

Hyman straight up wouldn't sign here so we get that. We were shit when he got drafted

Ya and that's what this thread is open to discussing, the players who fell through the cracks and bloomed later than others.

Feel free to share more. Time to give praise to those who became good players after being passed over/after thoughts of their GMs

 

[crowi]

You could write a book about Leafs management/coaching failures in the past decade, but I don't think Marchment would be a major point in the presentation.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

What's the story of Hasek again?
How was he gifted to Buffalo?

 

[Strangle]

He had decent numbers with Marlies for multiple years and brought an element the Leafs kind of lack in physical play and in your face type mentality.

They traded him for a small winger with skill, something they had in spades.

That’s it right there, Shanahan/dubas/Keefe don’t like the style of game a player like marchmant plays.

Their powerplay is supposed to be their toughness.

I’m sure Benoit will be gone for this reason too. They wanted a soft and fast team who never play tough or get mad or try to hurt anyone

 

[The Great Weal]

what am i missing? why would the leafs be craving a mediocre forward?

i get you dislike the leafs, rah rah rah, but severely constipated people strain themselves less

Uhh considering they need secondary scoring why wouldn't they want him? As for the thread, it happens the guy sucked back then.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

That’s it right there, Shanahan/dubas/Keefe don’t like the style of game a player like marchmant plays.

Their powerplay is supposed to be their toughness.

I’m sure Benoit will be gone for this reason too. They wanted a soft and fast team who never play tough or get mad or try to hurt anyone

Benoit has been a bright spot for Leafs. Anytime I do see the Leafs play, he is noticeable but also invisible too, the good way of being a sound defensive Dman.

Originally came through the Ducks system.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Uhh considering they need secondary scoring why wouldn't they want him? As for the thread, it happens the guy sucked back then.

Basically a .5 ppg player in AHL (deep playoff runs too) and provides a unique toolbox. Multiple years of development in their system only to play 4 NHL games before getting moved.

Wonder if that really sparked him when given the chance to play?

 

[hotpaws]

He didn't show much here but they also didn't give him much of a chance to show anything at the NHL level .

I didn't care if they moved him but there was no reason to trade him for another smurf we were already tits deep in , Dubas however thinks you can't have enough midgets and he was going to keep banging his head against the wall until one of the endless little guys he brought in stuck with the team .

 

[belair]

Because Denis Malgin was destined to be the next Vinnie Hinostroza.

 

[Chainshot]

Florida let Jonathan Marchessault get snapped up by Vegas, so that they could keep Alex Petrovic.

Sometimes teams make mistakes.

Coincidentally, Petrovic found his way to Dallas too! Funny eh? I mean he's been in the minors the past three seasons and I'd be surprised if he actually skates with Dallas any time soon, but still.

And Marchessault had been part of the Rangers AHL team, the Blue Jackets and Lightning before getting to Florida.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Why did Florida let him go?

 

[Chainshot]

What's the story of Hasek again?
How was he gifted to Buffalo?

Buffalo was interested in trading for him - Muckler saw him in the finals doing mop-up against the Pens and was impressed - so they made a move to shuffle players around to protect them from the expansion draft that summer. Winnipeg moved Stephan Beauregard to Buffalo for Christian Ruuttu, Buffalo moved Beauregard to Chicago for Hasek and then Chicago sent Beauregard back to Winnipeg for Ruuttu. The Jets kept their goalie, Buffalo got the guy they wanted (the Hawks already had Belfour as their starter and had invested 8OA in Jimmy Waite who they held in higher regard.

It wasn't a gift, it was Chicago picking a proven guy (Belfour) and their own first rounder over the unconventional guy.

 

[Chainshot]

Why did Florida let him go?

No cap space at the time.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No cap space at the time.

So a trade that turned out bad and a cap issue. That answers the questions.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Why did Florida let him go?

Cap space issues and Yandle having a NMC (Zito apparently never asked him to waive it) but most Panthers fans wanted him gone so Marchment could stay.

Buffalo was interested in trading for him - Muckler saw him in the finals doing mop-up against the Pens and was impressed - so they made a move to shuffle players around to protect them from the expansion draft that summer. Winnipeg moved Stephan Beauregard to Buffalo for Christian Ruuttu, Buffalo moved Beauregard to Chicago for Hasek and then Chicago sent Beauregard back to Winnipeg for Ruuttu. The Jets kept their goalie, Buffalo got the guy they wanted (the Hawks already had Belfour as their starter and had invested 8OA in Jimmy Waite who they held in higher regard.

It wasn't a gift, it was Chicago picking a proven guy (Belfour) and their own first rounder over the unconventional guy.

A little 3 card Monty. Damn. Didn't know that extra context. Thanks for that.

 

[danny90]

Your management developed him for 5 years in AHL and then gave him 4 NHL games.
He was putting up respectable numbers in AHL which should have translated into assumptions he'd be a good bottom 6 player for the Leafs.

It's just odd your GM didn't fully give him a chance in a Leafs uniform after that long of a development with that rare skillset and traded him for another small skilled winger.

He looked pretty mediocre and at the time malgin had a clearer skillset. obviously didn’t work out but I could see the idea

 

[Chainshot]

Cap space issues and Yandle having a NMC (Zito apparently never asked him to waive it) but most Panthers fans wanted him gone so Marchment could stay.



A little 3 card Monty. Damn. Didn't know that extra context. Thanks for that.

Welcome. I've lost too many brain cells to remember what the expansion rules were but that Winnipeg got to keep their guy when everything settled because he wasn't there when it all happened. Buffalo also included a third round draft pick - Chicago took Eric Daze with that so they didn't totally fumble away things. They kept Belfour who was very good and got one of their better scoring forwards of the '90's in that transaction.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Yeah this type of thing never happens with other nhl teams

 

[PaulD]

He had decent numbers with Marlies for multiple years and brought an element the Leafs kind of lack in physical play and in your face type mentality.

They traded him for a small winger with skill, something they had in spades.

Dubas the Play station GM

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

He looked pretty mediocre and at the time malgin had a clearer skillset. obviously didn’t work out but I could see the idea

It just seemed like you had 3-4 Malgins in your system already?
I get some don't see it as a big deal, other teams and GMs miss all the time but as said earlier in thread, these ones seem to sting a bit extra when it's the exact type of player you need now.

Welcome. I've lost too many brain cells to remember what the expansion rules were but that Winnipeg got to keep their guy when everything settled because he wasn't there when it all happened. Buffalo also included a third round draft pick - Chicago took Eric Daze with that so they didn't totally fumble away things. They kept Belfour who was very good and got one of their better scoring forwards of the '90's in that transaction.

Damn, Eric Daze... been a while since I've heard that name. Definitely have a couple of his cards in a box somewhere.

I enjoy the trade trees as well, some still even occurring or being affected decades later.

I often think of Adam Oates, Geoff Courtnall, Cujo among others. Undrafted gems.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Buffalo was interested in trading for him - Muckler saw him in the finals doing mop-up against the Pens and was impressed - so they made a move to shuffle players around to protect them from the expansion draft that summer. Winnipeg moved Stephan Beauregard to Buffalo for Christian Ruuttu, Buffalo moved Beauregard to Chicago for Hasek and then Chicago sent Beauregard back to Winnipeg for Ruuttu. The Jets kept their goalie, Buffalo got the guy they wanted (the Hawks already had Belfour as their starter and had invested 8OA in Jimmy Waite who they held in higher regard.

It wasn't a gift, it was Chicago picking a proven guy (Belfour) and their own first rounder over the unconventional guy.

The way it ended up working out it was a gift.

 

[PaulD]

50 games 39 points.
Like his style and loved the hit on MCabe. Pay backs a bitch.
But the leafs have Max Domi now, so I'm sure they dont regret letting Marchment go and getting squat for him. lol

 

[Chainshot]

The way it ended up working out it was a gift.

Part of it was Mike Smith and Bob Pulford thinking they were the smartest guys in the room (Smith was a Pulford protege).

If we're talking about late bloomers, why on earth did Smith let Kris Draper hit waivers and the Wings bought him for a dollar? There are a lot of places in the history of teams where they gave away good players for nothing.