Why Did The Kings Trade Cammalleri

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ADD: Cammy was not a bad attitude on the ice nor in the locker room nor at practice, just when dealing with management from a team that always seemed to tweak him every which way they could.

He got injured this last season in a fight standing up for a teammate. The guy has heart, tons of game and whatever idiot called him just a sniper obviously doesn't go to games. He almost always get the puck intp the zone, without hardly ever drawing him linemates offsides. Face it, the Kings are losing money, didnt want to pay him his true market value and snubbed him by giving Brownie the deal he should have been offered.

As for the six million number, it was the NHLPA that took his case up with his agent and they based that number on Vannick's 7yr 7mil offer sheet from Edmonton thinking that Cammy's numbers weren't as good as Vannicks but if Vannick was worth 7 then Cammy is worth six. Clearly they overshot.

But the Kings offer pre-arbitration was insulting. Now our development in building from within will take that much longer and in the process we will lose more of our "core youth group" and as our better players fade away via trade or free agency, so they can win elsewhere, everyone will finally catch on, that management doesnt care about winning as long as Anschitz can develop Downtown and continue to get huge cash incentives and public bond money to fund his develpoment and fatten his wallet.

Talk is great and Lombardi can fill in his boxes (for player spots on the team of the future) but we still wont be play-off bound for three years minimum and who knows whether Kopitar, Johnson, O'Sullivan or Frolov will stick it out to wait. Based on Kings history, and reputation for poor player personnel decisions, would you?


Where have you been? It would have been nice to have an ally who thinks the same way I do. :shakehead

Is Cammalleri perfect? Not even close. But when people expect every player on the team to play the same game...that's Andy Murray thinking and it just doesn't work. A good coach/GM/etc knows how to get the most out of his players.
 
Mark my words, Cammy will be an all-star this year playing with Iginla and Huselius. DL is a Schmuck and The Kings only hope of being a contender is to get rid of him.
 
Huselius is a goner. He's unrestricted and Keenan doesn't want him back. Good luck to Cammalleri. Here's hoping his production isn't stunted from Keenan's stifling system (see Alex Tanguay's drop in production).
 
Mark my words, Cammy will be an all-star this year playing with Iginla and Huselius. DL is a Schmuck and The Kings only hope of being a contender is to get rid of him.

What part of unrestricted free agent next year do you not understand? Cammi wasn't going to be with the Kings after next season anyways.

Lombardi wanted to get Doughty and Teubert and Cammi is the only unsigned asset he had with any value. Would you rather he trade Frolov and then lose Cammi to free agency anyways?
 
I still think the kings have a good team but I would have rather they traded Purcell or someone with less experience in the NHL. Everyone is saying that Cammy was going to leave and didn't want to stay but no one can show any Quotes or proof of that. I think it wasn't that Cammy wanted to leave as much as it was that DL just didn't want him on HIS team any more.
 
I still think the kings have a good team but I would have rather they traded Purcell or someone with less experience in the NHL. Everyone is saying that Cammy was going to leave and didn't want to stay but no one can show any Quotes or proof of that. I think it wasn't that Cammy wanted to leave as much as it was that DL just didn't want him on HIS team any more.

Huge Cammalleri fan here too, but you have to let it go. It was bound to happen. In order for him to stay he would have had to sign for a discount and as big a fan i am of his, he wasn't gonna do that. :(
 
Why? What will we miss from Cammalleri? Were we going to contend for the cup this year?
All we lose out on is 1 season of watching his one dimensional play...that's it.
He is a guy we drafted, and we fans watched him grow from a pick to a top 6 regular. I get the attachment most fans have. But see the guy for what he is and was going to be. He was a one-way player, and if he wasn't scoring goals he wasn't bringing ANYTHING else to the table. He wasn't killing penalties or hitting, or agitating or anything. And what was he going to be? Gone, after this season.
DL turned that into an asset that at bare minimum will be an asset for MANY years to come. As a 1st round pick with a high ceiling, CT has value to our team or another. As a best case scenario CT could turn into the player he is projected to and punish people from the blue-line and shut down opposing teams best players come play-off time.
2 years from now, would you rather have CT (at his minimum or best case scenario) or 1 more year of memories of MC shooting the puck from one knee in a meaningless season of growth? The choice is really easy for me. I'm thankful for DL.

You make is sound like scoring goals isn't important, and that PPG forwards grow on trees. He's definetely an offensive player, but you need those as well.

I agree that Cammy was the odd many out, likely not in the long term plans, and that Tuebert was a good pick. I just don't see why MC has to be traded right now to move up 16 picks in the draft when his value is at it's lowest. At the trade deadline he would have been worth at least a 1st round DP all by himself, and maybe significantly more than that if he can bounce back like I think he will.
 
You make is sound like scoring goals isn't important, and that PPG forwards grow on trees. He's definetely an offensive player, but you need those as well.

I agree that Cammy was the odd many out, likely not in the long term plans, and that Tuebert was a good pick. I just don't see why MC has to be traded right now to move up 16 picks in the draft when his value is at it's lowest. At the trade deadline he would have been worth at least a 1st round DP all by himself, and maybe significantly more than that if he can bounce back like I think he will.

And this is all before July 1st. Lombardi has the money to sign anybody he wants although convincing them to sign here will be difficult. Teubert could be a stud, Purcell could be ROY and Cammy could bolt for big money after the season which would make the Kings winners. I would've liked to see a trade for an established, young NHL dman but I'll wait to see what Lombardi does to improve the team in a few days first.
 
The other thing that no one is mentioning is this is MC's contract year. I'm a Hawks fan, and we're all praying that Havlat produce next year, because he knows that if he does, he's going to cash in as a UFA. If he struggles, he's going to take probably a 50% paycut.

I see a similiar situation with MC. I would've bet that he had an awesome year next year, regardless of where he was playing. If he's playing like he did in 2006-07, which isn't unreasonable considering the add'l talent on the team, he could have gotten a HUGE return at the trade deadline if the Kings were out of contention.

Just seems like a case of selling low, especially like it's been said that the team needs to take a step forward. As much as I like Tuebert, I just don't see how trading MC when his value was it's lowest and replacing him in the line-up with a rookie helps the team next year.
 
Just seems like a case of selling low, especially like it's been said that the team needs to take a step forward. As much as I like Tuebert, I just don't see how trading MC when his value was it's lowest and replacing him in the line-up with a rookie helps the team next year.

The Kings are not building for next year. Teubert was available and Dean wanted him, Cammi was his tradeable asset.

If you trade him at the deadline, you do not know where the pick you get in return will end up, what if the team makes the playoffs and gets to the conference finals? Then you just traded Cammi for the 28th pick in the draft and you have no idea what prospects will be available in June.
 
And this is all before July 1st. Lombardi has the money to sign anybody he wants although convincing them to sign here will be difficult. Teubert could be a stud, Purcell could be ROY and Cammy could bolt for big money after the season which would make the Kings winners. I would've liked to see a trade for an established, young NHL dman but I'll wait to see what Lombardi does to improve the team in a few days first.

And this is why we're still Kings fans. We're Pejorative Slured enough to still "deep down" think that situation will happen.
 
You make is sound like scoring goals isn't important, and that PPG forwards grow on trees. He's definetely an offensive player, but you need those as well.

First of all, 47 points in 63 games is not a PPG.
Secondly, scoring goals is important. But when all you do as a player is score goals (no hitting, no defense, no penalty killing) just score goals, and you are 5th on the team at that...you quickly become replaceable. Especially when your teammate who just matched your career high AND led the league in hits at the same time, just signed a contract for 1/2 of what you were asking for...That's almost like asking to be trade.
I blows my mind there are people unhappy about this. We dealt from a position of strenght to upgrade a weakness and people are upset. If ya love the guy so much people, then go get your Calgary Cammalleri jersey. I'm sure it won't be out of date in a year when he chases the FA money.
 
Re: DL having lots of money to spend of free agents come July 1:
Sorry to burst your Bubble Y'all, but aint no money gonna be spent on anyone but a Stuart or Orpick or similar (veteran D) come July 1. No Hossa or Sakic nor any other first or even second tier forward. Start looking at your team's lines and figure it out for yourselves.
Generally speaking four lines of forwards, three lines D. This aint set in stone but here's what you got: 1) Brown, Kopitar, O'Sullivan 2) Frolov Purcell and Boyles
3) Handzus Calder Ivanans 4) Armstrong Zeiller Moulsen other forwards include Brady Murray Jeff Guliano and Brad Richardson.
On defense Johnson and Blake, Presising and Lubo Doughty (if he makes it) or peter harrold who DL is high on for a while while his picks develop and ????? Hickey may be #7 or may not make the squad.
In any event, according to DL free agents are just "bridges" and in Hextall's (asst GM) words the team has too many holes to fill to use free agency as a means of improving. DL confirmed to those few disgruntled fans he met with two weeks ago, that he wasnt going to go for any big name free agents, (and on that i heard it first hand-- I was in that room) so make vacation plans for mid April for the next two or three years because you wont be watching Kings hockey in the post season during that time.

You can draft for the future forever, but the team I am being asked to pay for now, plays in October and the TEAM WE HAVE NOW IS NOT COMPETITIVE NOW
 
Re: DL having lots of money to spend of free agents come July 1:
Sorry to burst your Bubble Y'all, but aint no money gonna be spent on anyone but a Stuart or Orpick or similar (veteran D) come July 1. No Hossa or Sakic nor any other first or even second tier forward. Start looking at your team's lines and figure it out for yourselves.
Generally speaking four lines of forwards, three lines D. This aint set in stone but here's what you got: 1) Brown, Kopitar, O'Sullivan 2) Frolov Purcell and Boyles
3) Handzus Calder Ivanans 4) Armstrong Zeiller Moulsen other forwards include Brady Murray Jeff Guliano and Brad Richardson.
On defense Johnson and Blake, Presising and Lubo Doughty (if he makes it) or peter harrold who DL is high on for a while while his picks develop and ????? Hickey may be #7 or may not make the squad.
In any event, according to DL free agents are just "bridges" and in Hextall's (asst GM) words the team has too many holes to fill to use free agency as a means of improving. DL confirmed to those few disgruntled fans he met with two weeks ago, that he wasnt going to go for any big name free agents, (and on that i heard it first hand-- I was in that room) so make vacation plans for mid April for the next two or three years because you wont be watching Kings hockey in the post season during that time.

You can draft for the future forever, but the team I am being asked to pay for now, plays in October and the TEAM WE HAVE NOW IS NOT COMPETITIVE NOW


sorry to burst your bubble, but Brooks Orpik or similar will unlikely be coming to town.
 
The sooner Kings fans come back from the "top tier or even middle-tier UFA will want to sign in LA" fantasyland, the sooner you'll reach the point of acceptance that the Kings are going to have to get out of the basement themselves.

We're going to get UFA's with something to prove, a couple years left in the tank or some mix of both. It's going to stay that way until the Kings are out of the basement and that won't happen until the kids are able to carry the team out of the cellar on their own.

Welcome to "teh suck" of a full-on rebuild. LA will be bad for one more season - hopefully not bad enough that TL hits the panic button this time next year. They need to hover around the .500 mark (which is only good for 9-12 in the West). TL passed the first patience test this off-season. Next year's test will be much harder.

"Stay bad, LA" Help is on the way - just not from UFA's.

- T
 
The sooner Kings fans come back from the "top tier or even middle-tier UFA will want to sign in LA" fantasyland, the sooner you'll reach the point of acceptance that the Kings are going to have to get out of the basement themselves.

We're going to get UFA's with something to prove, a couple years left in the tank or some mix of both. It's going to stay that way until the Kings are out of the basement and that won't happen until the kids are able to carry the team out of the cellar on their own.

Welcome to "teh suck" of a full-on rebuild. LA will be bad for one more season - hopefully not bad enough that TL hits the panic button this time next year. They need to hover around the .500 mark (which is only good for 9-12 in the West). TL passed the first patience test this off-season. Next year's test will be much harder.

"Stay bad, LA" Help is on the way - just not from UFA's.

- T

Both Hexy and DL are concerned about just what kind of veterans would want to come here for that reason. But I whole-heartedly disagree with you on L.A. being bad for just one more year. Management has basically admitted that they don't forsee the team being competitive for a minimum of two possibly three years, and its quite likely that none of our drafts picks will impact (make) the team this year(including Hickey) and possibly even next, if DL and Hexy havetheir way, where younger players learn to ride the bus in manchester so they can appreciate how hard you have to work to be an NHL'er.

As I said elsewhere, and as management has let be known, the ride (down "the suck" as you artfully describe it) willNOT BE A SHORT ONE!!!
 
Kings fans ... reach the point of acceptance that the Kings are going to have to get out of the basement themselves.

Wouldn't Cammi have made that step out of the basement much easier?

I understand why he was moved, but what if he goes on a tear to start out the season, and the Kings stay in contention until after Christmas? (I know - crazy talk)

He may re-sign here, or his value at the trade deadline could be just as high (for possibly a pick and a prospect).

I'm not totally against the trade anymore, but he had one subpar year after a very good year - while on terrible losing teams. He's a guy the Kings drafted and developed, and now he's more than likely to become an even higher scorer somewhere else. ???

It's all a gamble, but it still feels like DL just added a few more years to the mix.
 
Mark my words, Cammy will be an all-star this year playing with Iginla and Huselius. DL is a Schmuck and The Kings only hope of being a contender is to get rid of him.

Love reading these old threads (Mods, please don't hate me)

Outsider looking in, I felt this was one of the key moves in how DL wanted to build the team. Letting go of a home grown top offensive talent at 26 took guts. Sure he was asking for a lot, but still....

DL knew top forwards are the last piece of the puzzle toward building a team and held true to that--investing heavily in blueline prospects hoping half would pan out.
 
Love reading these old threads (Mods, please don't hate me)

Outsider looking in, I felt this was one of the key moves in how DL wanted to build the team. Letting go of a home grown top offensive talent at 26 took guts. Sure he was asking for a lot, but still....

DL knew top forwards are the last piece of the puzzle toward building a team and held true to that--investing heavily in blueline prospects hoping half would pan out.

To be fair, Cammalleri WAS an all-star in Calgary, he had 39 goals and 82 points in his first season there! I see your point though, moving Cammalleri was ballsy as hell and while we suffered in the short term it clearly was the right move even if the asset we got back was garbage (one of the TWO 1st rounder traded to move up and draft Teubert, ugh).
 
Crazy bump here.
wasn't the fact the arbitration hearing got ugly a big factor too? I think that pretty much seeled the fate as Cammy was not going to re-sing in LA.
Too bad really I really liked Cammy. I have asigned kings picture of him.....and jack johnson. haha
 
Love reading these old threads (Mods, please don't hate me)

Outsider looking in, I felt this was one of the key moves in how DL wanted to build the team. Letting go of a home grown top offensive talent at 26 took guts. Sure he was asking for a lot, but still....

DL knew top forwards are the last piece of the puzzle toward building a team and held true to that--investing heavily in blueline prospects hoping half would pan out.

I'm sure the mods hate you. Whenever I saw these old threads pop up on my own basketball site, I would lock them up.

Just kidding. I'm in a lousy mood this morning.
 
Weird to see posts I made over 6 years ago. Cami is still one of my favorite ex-Kings. I did not agree with the trade back then. But, I cannot argue with the overall results.:D
 

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