why are posters on the main boards so down on us

[Super Cake]

Well, for starters, the team looks to be worse than it was last year. If you google their results from last season, it doesn't paint a pretty picture for this coming National Hockey League session.

I hear Mark Stone may have improved though.

No it doesn't. Our defense is exactly the same. Our offense is the only thing that changed. While it might suffer, our defense might improve as well.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

You do know there's a head coach right?

 

[Rysto]

No it doesn't. Our defense is exactly the same.

You mean the defence that was absolutely awful last season? Second last in the whole NHL in shots allowed, bottom five in goals allowed? Having that defence returning is not a plus.

 

[Super Cake]

You mean the defence that was absolutely awful last season? Second last in the whole NHL in shots allowed, bottom five in goals allowed? Having that defence returning is not a plus.

You do know our defense can improve right?

You make it seem like our defense will play the exact same way. I argue differently. Every single of one of them knows they played like crap last season. Cowen did not trust his hip at all according to his interviews. Karlsson was still recovering from his injury and even he said he did not like his game last season.

 

[darglor]

Well.. Both Cowen and Karlsson weren't themselves after recoving from injuries/no training camp/whatever. If those 2 things go back to a semblance of normalcy, the defense being the same cast of players is not a bad thing at all. The biggest question mark would be "Do we have an adequate #4?"

 

[Baby Ryan]

You mean the defence that was absolutely awful last season? Second last in the whole NHL in shots allowed, bottom five in goals allowed? Having that defence returning is not a plus.

While the defence last year was awful, you are ignoring the fact that the rest of the team contributed to them being so vulnerable and bad

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Well.. Both Cowen and Karlsson weren't themselves after recoving from injuries/no training camp/whatever. If those 2 things go back to a semblance of normalcy, the defense being the same cast of players is not a bad thing at all. The biggest question mark would be "Do we have an adequate #4?"

Depends. Everyone (myself included) seems to be slotting Ceci into that #4 spot, and he might actually be bound for the AHL at the start of the year. So, from the outside looking in, no. No we don't. But we won't truly find out until the season gets going.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Depends. Everyone (myself included) seems to be slotting Ceci into that #4 spot, and he might actually be bound for the AHL at the start of the year. So, from the outside looking in, no. No we don't. But we won't truly find out until the season gets going.

I can assure you, Ceci will not start the season in Binghamton.

 

[Benjamin]

They didn't tell Ceci to get a house just to send him right back down to Bingo.

 

[Knave]

They forget we made the playoffs 2 seasons ago (albeit in a shortened season) without Spezza, Karlsson.

They forget Spezza wasn't exactly doing a great job with us this past season.

I don't think we're a lock for a playoff spot by any means but I don't see why we wouldn't be a bubble team again.

 

[jbeck5]

Your logic is flawed and you should know better.

We are above average league wide at making the playoffs.

We are below average among playoff teams.

The second sample is of a significantly stronger group, and thus a team that is marginally above average league wide should be expected to yeild below average results, but that has no bearing on whether or not they are still above average league wide.

If were only counting playoff teams in the second sample then it would be 8 out of 16...meaning 1/2...but we're 1/4. Which would jump your statement from "we are below average among playoff teams" to "we are bad among playoff teams"

Using 30 teams in the sample size helps you out, not me. Of you wanna use 16 teams than it skews the numbers against the sens even more.

Either way I win, and you lose, yet you were the one coming off as arrogant.

Google definition of mediocre:
"of only moderate quality; not very good."

Google definition of moderate in case there's confusion:
"average in amount, intensity, quality, or degree."

Now can we stop with debate of whether the sens are mediocre or do you want to write a complaint to google?

 

[jbeck5]

Well.. Both Cowen and Karlsson weren't themselves after recoving from injuries/no training camp/whatever. If those 2 things go back to a semblance of normalcy, the defense being the same cast of players is not a bad thing at all. The biggest question mark would be "Do we have an adequate #4?"

Cowen missing camp due to holding out is a poor argument in favour of him.

Obviously I'm bitter when a player who doesn't trust himself is holding out.

 

[Cosmix]

Well, for starters, the team looks to be worse than it was last year. If you google their results from last season, it doesn't paint a pretty picture for this coming National Hockey League session.

I hear Mark Stone may have improved though.

Its a superficial appearance. When i calculated goals per game average for the players we have now and forecast next year's results for goal scoring, i get a marginally higher goals per game result than last year. That bodes well for next year. I expect the Senators to improve their goals against next year by cutting down on penalties, where we were one of the worst teams in the league, plus better overall defensive play. Net result is a better than50% chance of making the playoffs.

Time will tell.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

If were only counting playoff teams in the second sample then it would be 8 out of 16...meaning 1/2...but we're 1/4. Which would jump your statement from "we are below average among playoff teams" to "we are bad among playoff teams"

Using 30 teams in the sample size helps you out, not me. Of you wanna use 16 teams than it skews the numbers against the sens even more.

Either way I win, and you lose, yet you were the one coming off as arrogant.

Google definition of mediocre:
"of only moderate quality; not very good."

Google definition of moderate in case there's confusion:
"average in amount, intensity, quality, or degree."

Now can we stop with debate of whether the sens are mediocre or do you want to write a complaint to google?

No you're not right. When counting getting to the playoffs, you are sampling all 30 teams, but for playoff success you aren't sampling all the teams, so that's not the whole NHL. So your logic is flawed because it makes no sense, you can't compare playoff teams and act like that's the whole NHL. The Senators are above average, however for a playoff team, they are below average, that doesn't mean that they are below average, because there are 14 teams every years your not taking into account, which newsflash buddy, that's almost half of the freaking league. I know you pessimistic fans don't want to admit it, but the Sens are in the upper half of the league in the past 7 years.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I consider any year that doesn't end in the conference finals or Stanley cup finals to be a failure.

Im not happy with being a one and done team. One and done is the essence of mediocrity.

We've been a crappy, dime a dozen bubble team, at best, for the last 7 years.

Sorry im not happy with losing.

Well then the team isn't the problem, its you, those are unrealistic expectations.

 

[Benjamin]

Well then the team isn't the problem, its you, those are unrealistic expectations.

You're confusing expectations with standard of quality.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

You're confusing expectations with standard of quality.

Is that what you call it?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

You're confusing expectations with standard of quality.

Then that means 26 teams in the NHL do not meet your standards every single year

You might want to lower your standards

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

And? I'd hardly consider, making the playoffs 4/7 times mediocre, including a trip to the second round, a round that only 8 teams compete in a year, that's less than a quarter of the league.

You see, the issue with this fanbase is that they're extremists. We all expect that this team be competing for the cup. Newsflash, only three teams have won the cup in the past 5 years and only 7 have made it to the finals. Now I don't know what the hell this fanbase's expectation is, but what I do know, is that it's way too high. For **** sake, 10 years ago we were competing for the cup. What team in the NHL remains competitive for over 11 years? Very few if any.

No one here is expecting the team to compete for the Cup every year. However, SOME progression would be nice. Lately it's been make playoffs out in first round, miss playoffs, make playoffs lose in second round, miss playoffs, make playoffs and lose in first round. This is super, super mediocre, and it's not helped by Murray being in love like plugs like Phillips and giving them contracts beyond their due date.

I expect Murray to do better than this, especially when he's vaunted for building the Ducks. Which took him and Burke four years or so. And he's been here close to ten years.

They forget we made the playoffs 2 seasons ago (albeit in a shortened season) without Spezza, Karlsson.

They forget Spezza wasn't exactly doing a great job with us this past season.

I don't think we're a lock for a playoff spot by any means but I don't see why we wouldn't be a bubble team again.

.944 save percentage from Anderson, higher than that shorthanded. Not reasonable to expect that from Anderson every year.

 

[CanadianHockey]

... Like seriously. They think we will finish last. They think Karlsson will ask for a trade and Ryan has already asked for a trade (????). I really don't get it.

Because we lost a big name player (Spezza) and didn't re-sign Hemsky, and have done nothing but whine about the budget this offseason.

This team isn't a dark horse, but we could make the playoffs if the roster gels like they did two seasons ago.

 

[pm88]

I don't understand how you guys don't see it really... The reason is that we don't see this team getting in the right direction. Your team's internal budget is killing their chance to do anything really. The thing that hurt you guys the most is that your 2 previous captains left because they didn't like the direction the team is going. Also, after all the assets you traded for Bobby Ryan and him becoming a UFA probably wanting a big deal and also the fact you have an internal budget, we wonder if the Sens will be able to keep him at a price that he will want. And my last point would be that also because of your internal budget, Ottawa always seems like they have to trade away good players while they could be competing because of it and then get other prospects and the cycle goes on and on.

you may be a Montreal fan, but you speak the truth. Honestly I feel like the Sens' are the kings of developing great players and seeing them eventually sign to another team while still in their prime.. and majority of the time its because of our idiot management that it leads to (this includes the owner)

Chara
Hasek
Hossa
Havlat
Fisher
Kelly
Alfredsson
Spezza--?


It'll be a dark day if Karlsson leaves here..and that possibility will always remain with our current owner.

And to be honest.. we have been quite mediocre since our Cup run. People dump on us because we were awful last season.. and the negative press associated with two of the most significant players in this team's history doesn't reflect well on us. Makes us seem like a dysfunctional organization behind closed doors ( which it seems like sometimes). Until we get back to playing solid hockey I think we'll be disrespected until then. Unfortunately, we have a young team and I don't see too much playoff success coming up as yet. Might be 3-4 more years until we're primed to make a significant run in the playoffs again

As much as I might dump on the team sometimes, I'll always be a Sens fan for life. Never thought once of cheering for another team.. and to be honest a lot of people who I grew up with in ottawa aren't thinking of jumping ship either. Just need to see improvement

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

you may be a Montreal fan, but you speak the truth. Honestly I feel like the Sens' are the kings of developing great players and seeing them eventually sign to another team while still in their prime.. and majority of the time its because of our idiot management that it leads to (this includes the owner)

Chara
Hasek
Hossa
Havlat
Fisher
Kelly
Alfredsson
Spezza--?


It'll be a dark day if Karlsson leaves here..and that possibility will always remain with our current owner.

And to be honest.. we have been quite mediocre since our Cup run. People dump on us because we were awful last season.. and the negative press associated with two of the most significant players in this team's history doesn't reflect well on us. Makes us seem like a dysfunctional organization behind closed doors ( which it seems like sometimes). Until we get back to playing solid hockey I think we'll be disrespected until then. Unfortunately, we have a young team and I don't see too much playoff success coming up as yet. Might be 3-4 more years until we're primed to make a significant run in the playoffs again

As much as I might dump on the team sometimes, I'll always be a Sens fan for life. Never thought once of cheering for another team.. and to be honest a lot of people who I grew up with in ottawa aren't thinking of jumping ship either. Just need to see improvement

Hasek was chosen not to sign and was defiantly not in his prime. Hossa was traded after he signed. Havlat was traded. Fisher was traded. Kelly was traded.

 

[StefanW]

The relationship between the main boards and reality is about the same as the relationship between Doc McStuffins and an actual emergency room.

 

[Benttheknee]

Because the team is a legit joke.

Wont spend, losing players and a very meh roster with a very average prospect pool.

Plus the Sens are a small market, making it easy to dump on em.

We're no different from the Islanders and Panthers.

Glass half empty guy I take it.

What you say is accurate, just the pessimistic look. There are a lot of players that should show improvement simply based on experience. While, with the exception of Phillips there are no players who will diminish due to age.

Turris and MacArthur had solid seasons last year.....anybody else? That leaves either a log of underachievers or guys who just aren't that good. We shall see.

I think a bottom spot in the playoffs is possible, but I am not betting on it.

 

[Benttheknee]

No it doesn't. Our defense is exactly the same. Our offense is the only thing that changed. While it might suffer, our defense might improve as well.

Out, Spezza, Conacher and Kassian
In, Legwand, Chaisson and Stone

I think the second group can outscore the first.

I expect the defense to improve....not sure it could be worse actually :p