why are posters on the main boards so down on us

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

When Crosby at his best is a responsible almost 1.5ppg he should have been mentioned.

He's one of the best but I think we've definitely seen that when Malkin kicks it into his top gear, he's a better player, IMO the most dangerous on the planet.

 

[GimmeMyJetpack]

To the OP... Who cares? Last year a whole bunch of people were insanely high on us and look what happened.

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

I hate when people use rings and medals to pump a player's tires. I mean it was a team award not individual award. If Doughty was passed on by LA and was drafted by Atlanta I doubt he has those two cups. As well if his nationality wasn't Canadian I doubt he had those two medals.

 

[jbeck5]

If the team ends up signing Ryan, Methot and MacArthur is Melnyk still cheap?

Yes. Status quo is cheap. We need to pay to add talent if were to go anywhere.

 

[Cosmix]

And? I'd hardly consider, making the playoffs 4/7 times mediocre, including a trip to the second round, a round that only 8 teams compete in a year, that's less than a quarter of the league.

You see, the issue with this fanbase is that they're extremists. We all expect that this team be competing for the cup. Newsflash, only three teams have won the cup in the past 5 years and only 7 have made it to the finals. Now I don't know what the hell this fanbase's expectation is, but what I do know, is that it's way too high. For **** sake, 10 years ago we were competing for the cup. What team in the NHL remains competitive for over 11 years? Very few if any.

The pessimism in this fanbase is very unappealing, and it makes me ashamed to be a Sens fan. "Oh no we're a bubble team! What ever shall we do!!" Well what they're going to do is suck, but hold on there fans, take a step back from that open window. Remember what happened to the Red Wings when they sucked in the 80's? They won some cups. Or how bout the Chicago Blackhawks of the 2000's? Two cups, not too shabby. Now I know that life sucks and there's that possibility of having a Edmonton Oilers scenario happening. Well guess what? Why in the living hell would you assume that's what's going to happen to this team? You don't know the future, so stop acting like it. The Senators have been contenders in the past, and since I'm not a pessimistic brooding depressed fan and use my common sense, I'm going to assume that that the Sens will not suck for the rest of my life.

I don't dump on the Oilers, as they have some very good young players whose time is coming.

 

[Hammertyme]

To be fair, while Doughty got the medal,while being the best defender on his TEAM...Karlsson was the best defender of the TOURNAMENT and single handedly carried that injury decimated Sweden team. Also to be fair, LA is stacked....its a team game.

I just see the best dman as equal offensive/defensive.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

You do understand that letting Chara walk had nothing to do with Melnyk being cheap right?

The truth in this case is irrelevant. It's the preception that the organization can't lock players down.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I hate when people use rings and medals to pump a player's tires. I mean it was a team award not individual award. If Doughty was passed on by LA and was drafted by Atlanta I doubt he has those two cups. As well if his nationality wasn't Canadian I doubt he had those two medals.

It's not just about his team awards, it's about his performances in those tournaments. We're not talking about Subban who rode the pine on the way to a gold, we're talking about the best skater for those teams that won (only exception would be 2010 in Vancouver, still best D). As I said, if the Conn Smyth voters had any sense, he would have won the Conn Smyth this year.

I'm not knocking Karlsson at all, he's my favourite player and will be the best defenseman in the NHL this coming year, but people who regard Doughty as the best D in the world are very justified in thinking so.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The truth in this case is irrelevant. It's the preception that the organization can't lock players down.

Well I'm telling him he's wrong

I can understand where he's coming from but he's still wrong

 

[Benjamin]

I hate when people use rings and medals to pump a player's tires. I mean it was a team award not individual award. If Doughty was passed on by LA and was drafted by Atlanta I doubt he has those two cups. As well if his nationality wasn't Canadian I doubt he had those two medals.

But does LA win without Doughty?

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Let them be down on us. Every time the mouth-breathers on the main board crap all over our team, the Sens over-achieve big time.

#PeskySens

 

[Smitty26]

I just see the best dman as equal offensive/defensive.

sure. And Karlsson was pretty damn good at both until his leg got chopped off...

 

[enviro61]

I could see the Sens exceeding expectations only because they have done it before. Lots of star players are missing but the team over performs. One of our goalies is due for a bounce back or breakout season so it is possible. On paper we do not look good but that can mean little in the hearts and minds of the team that is assembled.

It is easy to get down on the Sens solely because of McScrooge but I could see the team surprising. I think we either surprise and get 6th-8th spot or completely suck and are a bottom 1-3 team.

 

[Cosmix]

1) Your math skills are... questionable.
2) Making the playoffs 57% of the time over 7 years is absolutely mediocre.
3) Making the second round once in that time, only to get shellacked, is also mediocre. We've won one round in 7 years. One.

I have long term expectations of this team, but I've followed our fall from the 2007 season closely and understand why we are where we are. We had a culture of winning and success throughout the early 2000's so I know it is possible to become winners again. I don't think this team and city deserves a perennial loser. Sorry if I'm not satisfied with mediocrity, but I'm far from a brooding depressed fan. I try to be a realist.

16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs each year, which means an average of 53.3% of the time. So if we define mediocre as not making the playoffs, then reaching them 4 out of 7 times is 57% and not mediocre. But it is also not great success. Winning at least one round of the playoffs is decent success as only 26.7% of teams can do that in any single year. Doing that consistently is pretty damn good in my view. And if a small market team with mid point revenues and budget achieves that, then that would be very good performance in my view. Yes, the Senators have not reached that level very often. Reaching the conference finals and being in the final four teams is very good performance as only 13.3% can achieve that in any single year. It would be interesting to compile the records of all the teams and calculate their performances each year and over time, with comparisons to other teams.

 

[jbeck5]

16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs each year, which means an average of 53.3% of the time. So if we define mediocre as not making the playoffs, then reaching them 4 out of 7 times is 57% and not mediocre. But it is also not great success. Winning at least one round of the playoffs is decent success as only 26.7% of teams can do that in any single year. Doing that consistently is pretty damn good in my view. And if a small market team with mid point revenues and budget achieves that, then that would be very good performance in my view. Yes, the Senators have not reached that level very often. Reaching the conference finals and being in the final four teams is very good performance as only 13.3% can achieve that in any single year. It would be interesting to compile the records of all the teams and calculate their performances each year and over time, with comparisons to other teams.

In terms of making the playoffs were 4% better than average.

In terms of advancing past the first round, we're 12.5% worse than average.

Overall, were slightly below average. That's mediocre.

 

[Cosmix]

I don't understand how you guys don't see it really... The reason is that we don't see this team getting in the right direction. Your team's internal budget is killing their chance to do anything really. The thing that hurt you guys the most is that your 2 previous captains left because they didn't like the direction the team is going. Also, after all the assets you traded for Bobby Ryan and him becoming a UFA probably wanting a big deal and also the fact you have an internal budget, we wonder if the Sens will be able to keep him at a price that he will want. And my last point would be that also because of your internal budget, Ottawa always seems like they have to trade away good players while they could be competing because of it and then get other prospects and the cycle goes on and on.

I am a realist Senators fan. Yes, the internal low budget is a problem and leads to player losses, but there are other factors that need to be considered, such as signing players with greater future potential. Yes, the team lost/ traded the last two captains. I don't view the loss of a player who is a captain as a major negative in itself. Many captains have been traded or lost by many teams in the past. The two players lost, Alfredson and Spezza were good players, but one is very near the end of his career and the other has injury concerns and lacks defensive awareness, skills and/or desire. The Bobby Ryan trade did cost some assets but it will take more time to assess which team won that trade.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

In terms of making the playoffs were 4% better than average.

In terms of advancing past the first round, we're 12.5% worse than average.

Overall, were slightly below average. That's mediocre.

Are you serious with this post? If the team is above average when it comes to making playoffs, which includes all 30 teams unlike the second round stat, how in the living **** can you call us below average!? We make the playoffs more than the average team does, but apparently, due to a ******** second round stat, we're below average.

That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

 

[Benjamin]

And? I'd hardly consider, making the playoffs 4/7 times mediocre, including a trip to the second round, a round that only 8 teams compete in a year, that's less than a quarter of the league.

You see, the issue with this fanbase is that they're extremists. We all expect that this team be competing for the cup. Newsflash, only three teams have won the cup in the past 5 years and only 7 have made it to the finals. Now I don't know what the hell this fanbase's expectation is, but what I do know, is that it's way too high. For **** sake, 10 years ago we were competing for the cup. What team in the NHL remains competitive for over 11 years? Very few if any.

The pessimism in this fanbase is very unappealing, and it makes me ashamed to be a Sens fan. "Oh no we're a bubble team! What ever shall we do!!" Well what they're going to do is suck, but hold on there fans, take a step back from that open window. Remember what happened to the Red Wings when they sucked in the 80's? They won some cups. Or how bout the Chicago Blackhawks of the 2000's? Two cups, not too shabby. Now I know that life sucks and there's that possibility of having a Edmonton Oilers scenario happening. Well guess what? Why in the living hell would you assume that's what's going to happen to this team? You don't know the future, so stop acting like it. The Senators have been contenders in the past, and since I'm not a pessimistic brooding depressed fan and use my common sense, I'm going to assume that that the Sens will not suck for the rest of my life.

I consider any year that doesn't end in the conference finals or Stanley cup finals to be a failure.

Im not happy with being a one and done team. One and done is the essence of mediocrity.

We've been a crappy, dime a dozen bubble team, at best, for the last 7 years.

Sorry im not happy with losing.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I consider any year that doesn't end in the conference finals or Stanley cup finals to be a failure.

Im not happy with being a one and done team. One and done is the essence of mediocrity.

Sorry im not happy with losing.

Well at least we're a failure with the majority of the league I suppose.

 

[jbeck5]

Are you serious with this post? If the team is above average when it comes to making playoffs, which includes all 30 teams unlike the second round stat, how in the living **** can you call us below average!? We make the playoffs more than the average team does, but apparently, due to a ******** second round stat, we're below average.

That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Well making the playoffs shows season success while winning playoff rounds shows playoff success.

We've made the playoffs 4% more then the average.

We've advanced to the 2nd round 12.5% less than the average.

+4%
-12.5%

Using the metric you used, if both weighted equally, were -8.5% compared to the average.

That's below average.

That's mediocre.

 

[NyQuil]

Not many people will think we have improved with Spezza leaving the fold.

We can emphasize a return to more responsible play, a healthy Karlsson, older prospects, whatever, but those are all pretty big question marks so I don't really blame them.

 

[jbeck5]

Of players who played games last year:

Out: spezza, hemsky, Da Costa, kassian

Of players expected to play a game(s) this year but didn't last year:

In: legwand, chiasson, ...maybe Lazar or puempel get games.

To outsiders that looks like a step backwards to a team that didn't make the playoffs. I can see why they predict we do worse than last year.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I consider any year that doesn't end in the conference finals or Stanley cup finals to be a failure.

Im not happy with being a one and done team. One and done is the essence of mediocrity.

We've been a crappy, dime a dozen bubble team, at best, for the last 7 years.

Sorry im not happy with losing.

You're going to be disappointed much more often than not regardless of what team you chose to cheer for if that's the case.

 

[Micklebot]

Well making the playoffs shows season success while winning playoff rounds shows playoff success.

We've made the playoffs 4% more then the average.

We've advanced to the 2nd round 12.5% less than the average.

+4%
-12.5%

Using the metric you used, if both weighted equally, were -8.5% compared to the average.

That's below average.

That's mediocre.

Your logic is flawed and you should know better.

We are above average league wide at making the playoffs.

We are below average among playoff teams.

The second sample is of a significantly stronger group, and thus a team that is marginally above average league wide should be expected to yeild below average results, but that has no bearing on whether or not they are still above average league wide.

 

[Indrew]

Well, for starters, the team looks to be worse than it was last year. If you google their results from last season, it doesn't paint a pretty picture for this coming National Hockey League session.

I hear Mark Stone may have improved though.