Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[JayDog17]

This is a big test for Dubas, if he signs Hyman at anything short of a discount, fire him.

I like Hyman but he's a player that has done shit all in the playoffs too. I don't care if he's good at digging out pucks, it still isn't translating to assists which he should have a lot more of if he's getting the puck to Matthews.

I would like to see a stat the keeps track of the ratio between who touches the puck next after it leaves your stick. I firmly believe that 9 times out of 10 the next player to touch the puck after Hyman does is an opposing player. I love the guys hustle, but having him play with skill players that need puck possession is a huge mistake.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

I would like to see a stat the keeps track of the ratio between who touches the puck next after it leaves your stick. I firmly believe that 9 times out of 10 the next player to touch the puck after Hyman does is an opposing player. I love the guys hustle, but having him play with skill players that need puck possession is a huge mistake.

Give away take away stat, it would be somewhere in that vicinity you will find what you seek.

Thornton the black hole i bet would lead.

 

[colchar]

I like Hyman. I really do. But its not the end of the world if we lose him. He's another guy who I thought would be physical in the playoffs but just didn't make that impact for us.

He came back for the playoffs after missing a dozen games with a knee injury. Chances are he wasn't 100%.

 

[Cappuccino]

Zach was a great warrior for us .. it is sad to see him go .. but Mitch really screwed over this team with his contract given league CAP .. but you can't blame da players even Mitch you have to blame mgmt/league .. Zach has put himself in this position through hard work and a resourceful family .. and if teams want to give him 5.5M per then so be it .. that is da open market .. any of us would do da same thing .. bottom line we need 4 Hyman/Goodrow/Coleman type players to have a chance (2 on top 2 lines and 2 on 3rd line) and a couple more big nasty Dmen .. I can't see it given CAP and our position today .. that is why I think it can only be fixed by trading Mitch

I really don’t like Marner asking for the money he was asking for and if it were me I would have settled for like 9M (if not less), but:

it absolutely was the GM who gave him the money. It is not obligated to sign a RFA or something. He could have traded him and I feel the same about Nylander. Him missing 4 months of being on the ice (over a couple of dollars), for sure didn’t help in trying to beat Boston come playoff time.

And I know everyone was anticipating the cap to go up, but it didn’t happen, so the money needs to be saved somewhere…

 

[Divine]

Hyman plays with high-end talent

He's either playing with Matthews and Marner, or Tavares and Nylander.

All of these players would be first liners on most NHL teams. His stats get carried. He hustles, but he's not worth a penny over 2M to me. I am positive you can find someone else to take his role. If he was playing on the third or fourth line like players of his calibre usually are, he'd probably put up under 20 points a season. He has stone hands, as we saw in the playoffs when Matthews was double teamed.

 

[nuck]

I would like to see a stat the keeps track of the ratio between who touches the puck next after it leaves your stick. I firmly believe that 9 times out of 10 the next player to touch the puck after Hyman does is an opposing player. I love the guys hustle, but having him play with skill players that need puck possession is a huge mistake.

I think Zack has a little bit of Bozak in him in that he will get it to his more skilled line mates but not in such a way as to routinely result in offensive opportunities. So Matthews or Marner end up with the puck but already have people on them which is also maybe why he has never generated a ton of primary assists playing beside Matthews. His actual giveaway numbers aren't that bad.

 

[JayDog17]

Give away take away stat, it would be somewhere in that vicinity you will find what you seek.

Thornton the black hole i bet would lead.

Not quite...not looking for how many times he takes the puck away from the other team. Want to see his completed pass to team mates percentage I guess. He does scramble a whole lot of plays for the opponent deep in the zone, he just doesn't actually get the puck to his own team mates nearly enough to play on a skill/possession line. Great for a forecheck/energy line though. Loved him on the third line.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Hyman plays with high-end talent

He's either playing with Matthews and Marner, or Tavares and Nylander.

All of these players would be first liners on most NHL teams. His stats get carried. He hustles, but he's not worth a penny over 2M to me. I am positive you can find someone else to take his role. If he was playing on the third or fourth line like players of his calibre usually are, he'd probably put up under 20 points a season. He has stone hands, as we saw in the playoffs when Matthews was double teamed.

He's worth more than 2 mill, but he is not worth more than 3-3.5 on his next deal. Especially given his age.

That is what a high end 3rd liner makes, and that is all he is. Giving him more than that is extremely risky.

2 mill is high end 4th line/low end 3rd line money. Hyman is better than that.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Hyman plays with high-end talent

He's either playing with Matthews and Marner, or Tavares and Nylander.

All of these players would be first liners on most NHL teams. His stats get carried. He hustles, but he's not worth a penny over 2M to me. I am positive you can find someone else to take his role. If he was playing on the third or fourth line like players of his calibre usually are, he'd probably put up under 20 points a season. He has stone hands, as we saw in the playoffs when Matthews was double teamed.

I used to think like this but Hyman proved to me this year he could drive his own line while playing with Mikeyhev and Engvall. I think he gets 4.5 x 6-8 with us and we’ll deal with the declining years when we get there. Front load it and ship the AAV to Arizona

 

[Divine]

I used to think like this but Hyman proved to me this year he could drive his own line while playing with Mikeyhev and Engvall. I think he gets 4.5 x 6-8 with us and we’ll deal with the declining years when we get there. Front load it and ship the AAV to Arizona

SMH.

If he gets that Dubas needs to be fired on the spot and checked into rehab. Even Tofolli didn't get that much as a UFA and he's a way better player than Hyman.

If Hyman has half the value across the league as people on these forums think, we should have traded him for a top prospect.

 

[The90]

Career to date:

RNH - .73 PPG
Best season to date 69 points

William Nylander - .73 PPG
Best season to date 61 points

You forgot to post nylanders never posted less than 61 points in a full season and has a better ppg the last 2 years trending upwards.

RNH meanwhile, has posted 61 points 1 time, and 69 points 1 time. In 4 more years. With a 120 point guy running shotgun.

Sick argument.

 

[Nylander88]

Personally, if there is a match to be made, I bring back Foligno over Hyman. Here's why:
- Both play similar styles
- Foligno hits more
- Foligno is tougher and much more likely to drop the mitts
- Both are a coin flip as far as playing all year healthy, but a healthy Foligno does the same thing for you that a healthy Hyman does
- Both are PK guys
- Foligno has center versatility
- And to top it all off, Hyman is going to want a rumoured 5+, or at the very least 4+ with lots of term, and Foligno will likely be had for 2-3 million per short term (2-3 years)

 

[Stonehands1990]

SMH.

If he gets that Dubas needs to be fired on the spot and checked into rehab. Even Tofolli didn't get that much as a UFA and he's a way better player than Hyman.

If Hyman has half the value across the league as people on these forums think, we should have traded him for a top prospect.

A contract given out when the world went to shit and 31 teams couldn’t sell tickets probably isn’t the best comparable

What’s tomorrow’s tip? Stock prices from the world financial crisis smh

 

[tronoleaf]

Let's hope not. I'm fully against re-signing Hyman. He shoulda been traded for players who fit Matthews' timeline (ie. churn). Hyman, JVR, Bozak, Gardiner, Andersen.... **** you, Dubas!

 

[Trapper]

You forgot to post nylanders never posted less than 61 points in a full season and has a better ppg the last 2 years trending upwards.

RNH meanwhile, has posted 61 points 1 time, and 69 points 1 time. In 4 more years. With a 120 point guy running shotgun.

Sick argument.

Not really.
The argument was Maple Leaf superiority that RNH was crap.
He’s not. Nylander may trend better down the line, doesn’t mean players on other teams are what people describe.

 

[seanlinden]

Personally, if there is a match to be made, I bring back Foligno over Hyman. Here's why:
- Both play similar styles
- Foligno hits more
- Foligno is tougher and much more likely to drop the mitts
- Both are a coin flip as far as playing all year healthy, but a healthy Foligno does the same thing for you that a healthy Hyman does
- Both are PK guys
- Foligno has center versatility
- And to top it all off, Hyman is going to want a rumoured 5+, or at the very least 4+ with lots of term, and Foligno will likely be had for 2-3 million per short term (2-3 years)

Completely agree with this.

Foligno has been around the block, yes, it was a "forgone conclusion" when we traded for him that he's likely right back to Columbus, but put yourself in Foligno's shoes...

You went to a team that you were thrilled to go to, and who gave up a massive amount for. You were hurt for most of your time there, and had an extremely disappointing playoff exit. You've likely got a bit of a feeling of "unfinished business". This is a team that certainly has enough skill to go far in the playoffs.

Obviously there are 32 teams in the league, but if your choices are just between Toronto and Columbus... sure you can go back to Columbus and make $3.5m, maybe you're the captain, but you're likely not going to have a chance to win a Stanley Cup anytime in the next couple of years.

Or you stay in Toronto for ~$2.5m...on a team that isn't starved for offence, and you can play your game; and have a shot at a cup.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner stole Hyman resign money.

 

[paulhiggins]

Marner stole Hyman resign money.

...and Dubas drove the getaway car.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

SMH.

If he gets that Dubas needs to be fired on the spot and checked into rehab. Even Tofolli didn't get that much as a UFA and he's a way better player than Hyman.

If Hyman has half the value across the league as people on these forums think, we should have traded him for a top prospect.

Tyler is small and lacks foot speed .. but has amazing skill .. he is a complimentary player on a line not a line driver .. we have too many complimentary players who don't drive their own line .. right now we have Matty and Zach who can drive a line on their own .. Willy is progressing nicely and you can see his development year over year he is getting better .. i hope he drives a line by himself totally very soon .. JT requires certain speed players with him to drive him .. Mitch needs a shooter and a tough fast guy to help him .. we have 2 11M per guys on CAP who can't drive a line by themselves

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Mitch needs a shooter and a tough fast guy to help him .. we have 2 11M per guys on CAP who can't drive a line by themselves

Mr. Cant Shoot
Mr. Cant CarryThePuck

Just need to cover one.

 

[Mess]

Marner stole Hyman resign money.

Every year when it comes time for player raises and expiring contracts the salaries of the big 3 continue to claim more victims and Leafs are forced to find cheaper replacement versions that can contribute similarly not because of want but out of need due to cap management issues.

Hyman is a 20+ scorer that is cable to play in your top 6 and in all situations and is coming off a $2.25 mil contract. This is not going to be easily achieved with all that Zach brings to the table.

Leafs roster construction is built entirely on The Haves and the Have Nots, with the middle gutted out for the most part and only a few survivors.

Hyman likely the next casualty joining JVR, Kadri, Bozak, Kapanen, Johnsson etc etc

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ShaneFalco]

I think that's why people like Hyman so much - he's one of the few that can hit. go to the dirty areas and push back. So we over-value him because of the other creampuffs. But we can't overpay for that, especially with term. According to Shanny and Dubas though, the core will figure it out. So yeah.......

 

[Rude Dog]

Would welcome Hyman back on a 4 or 5 year deal under 4.25. Over that is an overpay. As much as I like him.

 

[Cor]

I am not ready for Hyman to not be a Leaf. I am gonna be crushed when he signs elsewhere. Team instantly becomes way less likable without him.

A lot of this board hated him at the start. Babcock's Son, useless, etc.