Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[WTFMAN99]

I agree, however Hyman seens to be close to and plays well with Matthews, so he likely costs more for that plus he wont get eight but instead 5-6 years

In a perfect world Id give Hyman 5byears x 3.75

Anyone plays well with Matthews.

Kyle Okposo got paid bigly after playing beside JT in NYI, ditto Moulson.

Close to aspect also doesn't matter at all, no sentimentalism with sports. It's all about winning. Hyman's had 2 major knee injuries already, I give it another couple of years and his body is done.

The rumour is Dallas.

Lots of rumors over the years, some are right, some are wrong.

Goodrow brings a lot of elements that Hyman brings, Saad too for that matter.

Granlund would more than make up for the production loss.

Plus these guys have all performed better in the playoffs.

 

[Nico Hughes]

Anyone plays well with Matthews.

Kyle Okposo got paid bigly after playing beside JT in NYI, ditto Moulson.

Close to aspect also doesn't matter at all, no sentimentalism with sports. It's all about winning. Hyman's had 2 major knee injuries already, I give it another couple of years and his body is done.

Thats fair

however sentiment surely plays a role; especially for a team whos two best players are signed straight to UFA

 

[WTFMAN99]

Thats fair

however sentiment surely plays a role; especially for a team whos two best players are signed straight to UFA

I'm sure Marner and Matthews care more about actually getting past the 1st round rather than having their friends around.

Hell, if that wasn't their mentality, I would move on from them.

Your mentality in team building creates a country club atmosphere.

 

[Nico Hughes]

I'm sure Marner and Matthews care more about actually getting past the 1st round rather than having their friends around.

Hell, if that wasn't their mentality, I would move on from them.

It can be both; these are people like you and me, afterall

They dont decide where to sign next strictly based on team success. Comfortability and happiness in that city mean much more, besides for those older vets looking to contend

 

[WTFMAN99]

It can be both; these are people like you and me, afterall

They dont decide where to sign next strictly based on team success. Comfortability and happiness in that city mean much more, besides for those older vets looking to contend

I won't lay the failure at Hyman's feet but he's apart of a group of players that haven't won anything for multiple years running now.

I'm not remotely eager to keep a group like that together.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think RNH averaged something like 66 pts the last 4 seasons and can play centre.

Hyman is nowhere close.

If it is the same term and AVV, RNH is miles ahead of Hyman. RNH might not be a great First overall but he is a very good 2C

 

[mydnyte]

Ladd
Lucic
Clarkson
Clowe
Bolland
Okposo
Eriksson

How many of these contracts aged well?

a Hyman deal north of 3 million (forget this 4-5.5 BS) would be equally as bad as the Skinner deal in my opinion.
I want him gone!!

 

[Jmo89]

I've grown to appreciate Hyman alot, but he isn't the unicornany of us have made him out to be. His hard work is noticeable mostly because our other top guys are so underwhelming and lacking in grit and passion. Add that to Hyman having little to no impact the past 3 off seasons, I'll pass.

The team has enough guys who can only perform in the regular season.

 

[Lightsol]

Then he will have to move on unfortunately.
Normally it shouldn’t be an issue but we’ve spent way to much on the the top 4 to keep tacking extras on for everyone.

Even if we didn't spend so much money on the top 4, 5 years for Hyman is bad. Anything over about $3 million is bad. He doesn't score enough to be worth more than that, and his play style means that a team giving him term WILL regret it.

For a quick comparison; Simmonds and Hyman played the same style (Simmonds in his prime was a lot tougher, but the general style is similar). Wayne Simmonds, who we just signed at near league minimum for two years, is 32. Hyman is 29. You do the math.

 

[hamzarocks]

What is the obsession in keeping this crap team together?

Stop

The 6th times the charm

 

[hamzarocks]

After seeing RNH sign 8 x 5.125

Zach Hyman you've been downgraded from Toffoli contract of 4 x 4

3 year 3M is what your worth now

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

You can get 3 "hard workers" like Hyman for 5.5 million lol. Let's find the next Hyman.

 

[Lightsol]

Anyone plays well with Matthews.

Kyle Okposo got paid bigly after playing beside JT in NYI, ditto Moulson.

I agree, but I'd really prefer not to see a repeat of Mats Sundin's first 5 or 6 years with the Leafs, thanks...

 

[bentharbs]

Hyman is a great player.

Re-signing Hyman would be a mistake for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Both of these are true.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I agree, but I'd really prefer not to see a repeat of Mats Sundin's first 5 or 6 years with the Leafs, thanks...

At this point, Sundin got us to a couple conference finals.

Our team right now actually reminds me of the Sens.

 

[Makaveli]

I'd let him walk, let someone else deal with the headache 2-3 years down the road.

 

[Lightsol]

At this point, Sundin got us to a couple conference finals.

Our team right now actually reminds me of the Sens.

I'd argue that was more Curtis Joseph than anything. As we're watching, having a goalie that can steal games helps with making it far. I'm referring to the years we watched Mats plug away with two terrible wingers under the assumption that "Mats can play with anybody, so we don't need high level wingers". There's a reason he was at his best with Gary Roberts and Alex Mogilny, as opposed to Jonas Hoglund, Igor Korolev and the corpse of Mikael Renberg....

 

[barilko05]

Yes this is issue with hard forecheckers is they will blow something out .. only hope would be he tears a ligament so badly that he goes on LTIR rest of contract and becomes a Clarkson in year 3 or 4 so team is not affected really .. but you can't bet on that .. likely scenario in in year3/4 he is done and team is trading away 1st rounders to get rid of contract .. it is a risky play for sure

This is my worry. Hyman is one knee to knee away from a career ending injury. Guys who play his style just aren't effective once they hit 30. Case in point: our latest signing Wayne The Train. And with RNH getting over 5, Zach's just not in that league. If we pay him over 5 for 4 or 5 years or more, it's going to come back to bite us where it hurts. He's worth a little over 4 at 3 or 4 years...or under 4 with more years. Anything else...well, don't let the bench door hit you in the ass on the way out...

 

[keonsbitterness]

Hyman is a great player.

Re-signing Hyman would be a mistake for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Both of these are true.

Signing him at all would be a mistake, or just if the terms are bad?

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd argue that was more Curtis Joseph than anything. As we're watching, having a goalie that can steal games helps with making it far. I'm referring to the years we watched Mats plug away with two terrible wingers under the assumption that "Mats can play with anybody, so we don't need high level wingers". There's a reason he was at his best with Gary Roberts and Alex Mogilny, as opposed to Jonas Hoglund, Igor Korolev and the corpse of Mikael Renberg....

CuJo/Belfour definitely helped.

Matthews did produce well though even with Johnsson/Kapanen, doesn't necessarily *need* the elite talent.

I think 88 would be the best wing we can give Matthews, as we're seeing Marner's salary as too large to properly flesh out a deep roster that is needed for a cup champion.

 

[Lightsol]

Signing him at all would be a mistake, or just if the terms are bad?

Signing him would be okay at $2-$3 million for not a huge term. And if someone could make the coaching staff understand that Hyman in the top 6 should be something you do when you're down multiple players and just need bodies, not something you should do on a consistent basis.

 

[bentharbs]

Signing him at all would be a mistake, or just if the terms are bad?

Any realistic deal would be bad for the leafs.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

signing Hyman to a big long term contract at this stage is exactly what a bad GM would do. Hopefully Dubas is more focused on someone who can bring what Hyman did at a comparable cost to his old contract

 

[keonsbitterness]

Any realistic deal would be bad for the leafs.

A realistic contract usually implies good. What's the bad part?

 

[Lightsol]

CuJo/Belfour definitely helped.

Matthews did produce well though even with Johnsson/Kapanen, doesn't necessarily *need* the elite talent.

I think 88 would be the best wing we can give Matthews, as we're seeing Marner's salary as too large to properly flesh out a deep roster that is needed for a cup champion.

Personally, I'm fine with the M&M line. It really needs two things, though; someone on the other wing that's dangerous enough opponents can't concentrate on stopping Matthews from shooting (all you need is someone who can pot 20-25 with a decent shot), and for Keefe to stop overplaying the shit out of them...

Better yet, split them up and let's build three lines; a Matthews line, a Tavares line and a Nylander line, with Marner playing with Tavares again. Let's make opponents pick their poison, rather than loading everything up and allowing teams to throw their entire shutdown effort at one line...