Why a Zach Hyman - Toronto extension, isn't a closed door, and may still even be likely.

[Brobust]

Hard pass on that deal.

Do you have an alternative in mind for replacing Hyman and how much would the AAV be for such a player?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Do you have an alternative in mind for replacing Hyman and how much would the AAV be for such a player?

Granlund 3-3.75M x 3
Saad 4-5M x 4
Coleman 3-4M x 4
Goodrow 2-2.25M x4

 

[JSn0w93]

Don't want Hyman for anything over 4.5, I truly love the player, but he has always been put in a favorable situation here to produce. He is a great complementary player. Doubt he is getting the deal he will get without seeing time with Matthews and Marner regularly. Fair play to him.

Target Goodrow, Coleman (think he might cost almost as much as Hyman so wishful thinking), Granlund. If we could sign Goodrow and Granlund for 5-6 million I think that is better than Hyman at that price.

 

[Superstar]

4 x 4 should be the max and I’m a big Hyman fan.
Toffoli is a slightly better goal scorer so it’s right on point.
4 years pretty much puts him in line with everyone becoming UFA so if things don’t work out team wise you retool.

He'll probably get 5 years x $4.5 million.

 

[4thline]

With RNH getting 5.125×8 I expect that deal to set the market.

I like Hyman, but 5.5×6 is pretty steep both in dollar and term for a 29 year old winger with a career high of 41 points.

I don't think Nuge's contract is contradictory, in fact I think it supports the concept. Nuge is probably a 6-6.5 x 6 contract with a couple of cheap years tacked on the end, just like Hyman would be in this scenario.

I'd say 5 x 5 + year 6 @ 3, Year 7@2, year 8 @ 1 = 31/8 = 3.875x8

 

[Stephen]

Frankly, I’ve had enough of the media speculation on Zach Hyman. He’s a support player who has put in the work and wonderful for him and his family if he can get paid on the open market. It’s going to hurt the Leafs in the short term to lose a guy with his motor. But I can’t in good conscience say that this guy is worth more money than what Palmieri, Goodrow, Coleman, Danault and all the good grit grinders are poised to make in free agency. Leafs might have a problem with their country club atmosphere but expanding the membership doesn’t seem like a solution.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

An 8 year term at 4.75 would be a disaster.

Anything over 4.5m you walk. Regardless of term. You cannot anchor yourself to peripheral players.

Signing Hyman for 5 years was a shrewd move when he was young but with two injuries to his knee that ship has sailed.

Yes this is issue with hard forecheckers is they will blow something out .. only hope would be he tears a ligament so badly that he goes on LTIR rest of contract and becomes a Clarkson in year 3 or 4 so team is not affected really .. but you can't bet on that .. likely scenario in in year3/4 he is done and team is trading away 1st rounders to get rid of contract .. it is a risky play for sure

 

[Cor]

Actually, it's not.

Maths lol

Corrected the numbers (point still stands though lol) thx

 

[Trapper]

He'll probably get 5 years x $4.5 million.

Then he will have to move on unfortunately.
Normally it shouldn’t be an issue but we’ve spent way to much on the the top 4 to keep tacking extras on for everyone.

 

[djdev]

sorry but we cant keep him for those number unless you wanna start paying more players thornton/simmonds /bogo style contracts. pass from me

 

[Brobust]

Granlund 3-3.75M x 3
Saad 4-5M x 4
Coleman 3-4M x 4
Goodrow 2-2.25M x4

Coleman is the only real comparable to Hyman's game and he's not coming to Toronto.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't think Nuge's contract is contradictory, in fact I think it supports the concept. Nuge is probably a 6-6.5 x 6 contract with a couple of cheap years tacked on the end, just like Hyman would be in this scenario.

I'd say 5 x 5 + year 6 @ 3, Year 7@2, year 8 @ 1 = 31/8 = 3.875x8

I don't think it's contradictory either, but it doesn't make 5.5×6 for Hyman any more tenable. Most of the numbers bouncing around sound like a contract that ends in a buyout, which I guess doesn't matter if you win during the cap savings window, but my confidence in that window continues to shrink.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Coleman is the only real comparable to Hyman's game and he's not coming to Toronto.

Where did he say he was signing?

 

[Superstar]

Then he will have to move on unfortunately.
Normally it shouldn’t be an issue but we’ve spent way to much on the the top 4 to keep tacking extras on for everyone.

That seems to be the way Dubas does things...an extra $1 to $2 million for Matthews and Marner, an extra $500K for Nylander, an extra $500K for Muzzin, etc..

 

[TGB]

No idea how this will all work out, but if a guy like Hyman, who played his heart out and was generally successful through sheer guts and determination, DOESN'T get a big contract...well, what kind of message does that send to all the heartless kids currently on the team? It feels like they kind of have to pay him.

 

[Mugzy97]

Massive risk in signing him to 8 years. With his style of play and age, he's likely only good for 3-5 years at the most in my opinion.

 

[ShaneFalco]

No idea how this will all work out, but if a guy like Hyman, who played his heart out and was generally successful through sheer guts and determination, DOESN'T get a big contract...well, what kind of message does that send to all the heartless kids currently on the team? It feels like they kind of have to pay him.

Or maybe get a new GM

 

[4thline]

My biggest issue with a Hyman contract is that his best fit is driving a 3rd line on the right side, and at these dollar figures he doesn't leave much to go after anything for the LW in the top 6

 

[WTFMAN99]

My biggest issue with a Hyman contract is that his best fit is driving a 3rd line on the right side, and at these dollar figures he doesn't leave much to go after anything for the LW in the top 6

It's a no-win scenario with any contract he signs, really. Nothing is going to be favorable towards us.

Short of a 2 year deal at like 3.5-3.75M per, don't do it.

 

[Gabriel426]

Sign him to 8 years with an AVV of 3.75mil. I don’t mind the terms but do mind the AVV.

 

[Nico Hughes]

RNH just got 5.1m over eight years

with a flat cap I suspect Hyman gets no more than 4.5m

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sign him to 8 years with an AVV of 3.75mil. I don’t mind the terms but do mind the AVV.

RNH just got 5.1m over eight years

with a flat cap I suspect Hyman gets no more than 4.5m

I think RNH averaged something like 66 pts the last 4 seasons and can play centre.

Hyman is nowhere close.

 

[Trapper]

That seems to be the way Dubas does things...an extra $1 to $2 million for Matthews and Marner, an extra $500K for Nylander, an extra $500K for Muzzin, etc..

You can tack the extra dollars on those who are proven goal scorers.
When they aren’t, the overpay can add up quick.

 

[Nico Hughes]

I think RNH averaged something like 66 pts the last 4 seasons and can play centre.

Hyman is nowhere close.

I agree, however Hyman seens to be close to and plays well with Matthews, so he likely costs more for that plus he wont get eight but instead 5-6 years

In a perfect world Id give Hyman 5byears x 3.75

 

[Brobust]

Where did he say he was signing?

The rumour is Dallas.