ChibiPooky
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Expanding on this, how nuts would it be if Babcock doesn't stay in Detroit? He's a Jack Adams finalist this year. It's so far-fetched that I'd dismiss it out of hand if it didn't come from Helene St. James.
Speculation: Who should be the new head coach of the Washington Capitals?
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Expanding on this, how nuts would it be if Babcock doesn't stay in Detroit? He's a Jack Adams finalist this year. It's so far-fetched that I'd dismiss it out of hand if it didn't come from Helene St. James.
ChibiPooky
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Also, I think it's worth mentioning that if Babcock and Holland agree that his relationship with the players has run its course, the difference in the way changes are made is stark between a good organization (the Wings) and the Caps. This would be a very proactive move resulting from a strong relationship between the coach and GM, and an organization that is in tune and in sync at all levels despite losing Jim Nill just last year. Contrast that with the Caps, who didn't know (or didn't act on) the room was being lost until it actually happened, and were forced to scramble and make moves that didn't fit into any sort of long-term plan.
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Babcock's still under contract for another year, right? I guess they could agree to terminate it early but that's my understanding anyway.
Good piece on modern day coaching and players. Some insightful quotes from Dave King. He wouldn't be at the top of my list but he does have a very diverse background. Not to be all Cherry or anything but given all of the European skill players on the team someone with that sort of rich background could be helpful (in an assistant if not the head guy).
ChibiPooky
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Yeah, he does appear to have a year left. Guess that's why nobody's talking about it
Here's an article about it: http://www.freep.com/article/20140430/SPORTS05/304300049
Nice read in the link you posted. There's a lot there that I won't comment on because I'm on my phone.
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If Babcock shakes loose you have to go after him aggressively, GM or no GM. No question.
It's like a fantasy draft. If there's a run on a non-sucky position you need to abandon your strategy and get someone at that position before they're gone. A run on coaches means hire a coach ahead of when you planned to, unless you have a major off-the-board ace up your sleeve which the Caps surely don't given their history of rookie coach blunders.
If the new GM doesn't like the coach and things aren't working then someone ships out. It would be preferable to have a full field of HC candidates and a new GM helping with the pick of course. The GM selection better be worth the wait. If it's a dud and we miss out on the best coaching candidates as well, then I'm jumping in a volcano when I get back from the bridge and the window.
Troy Ward
I would love to see Troy Ward get some serious consideration as Washington's next Head Coach.
He is a currently on Vancouver's short list of candidates.
The Bad:
No NHL Head Coaching Experience.
The Good:
Was Kevin Constantine's #1 assistant in Pittsburgh.
Was Mike Eaves #1 assistant at Wisconsin.
Has extensive AHL head coaching experience most recently in Calgary's system.
Tremendous systems knowledge, outstanding teacher, and very well repsected by his players, top end PP & PK track record on many of the teams he has coached on.
Well kept secret very much under the radar.
He would bring a very fresh perspective to the program around developing a "Winning Culture" top to bottom with true accountability throughout...starting with himself.
I would love to see Troy Ward get some serious consideration as Washington's next Head Coach.
He is a currently on Vancouver's short list of candidates.
The Bad:
No NHL Head Coaching Experience.
The Good:
Was Kevin Constantine's #1 assistant in Pittsburgh.
Was Mike Eaves #1 assistant at Wisconsin.
Has extensive AHL head coaching experience most recently in Calgary's system.
Tremendous systems knowledge, outstanding teacher, and very well repsected by his players, top end PP & PK track record on many of the teams he has coached on.
Well kept secret very much under the radar.
He would bring a very fresh perspective to the program around developing a "Winning Culture" top to bottom with true accountability throughout...starting with himself.
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It'd be interesting to see how this team responds to Babcock. While his hockey systems could mesh with the personnel we have, his coaching style is closer to Dale Hunter than Boudreau or Oates (though none of those are a particularly good analogy). There have been a number of Detroit players that absolutely could not stand Babcock, and it's believed that Filpulla refused to sign with Detroit last season because of him. I'm not sure if a hardass like Babcock is going to translate to better performances from Ovechkin or Backstrom.
He's also demonstrated the same inexplicable love of certain grinders (Abdelkader, Miller) and fringe NHLers (Lashoff, Glendening) in important roles that we saw from Hunter and Oates, while letting guys like Tatar sit on the bench.
To be clear, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. I would absolutely want the team to pursue Babcock, were he to become available. I just think there is a counter-point to be made, and that he may not be a magic bullet.
Also worth noting, I don't think you'll be able to pry him out of the last year of his current contract to get him to come to DC. His youngest child is a senior in high school, and is contract is timed to end when they graduate.
He's also demonstrated the same inexplicable love of certain grinders (Abdelkader, Miller) and fringe NHLers (Lashoff, Glendening) in important roles that we saw from Hunter and Oates, while letting guys like Tatar sit on the bench.
To be clear, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. I would absolutely want the team to pursue Babcock, were he to become available. I just think there is a counter-point to be made, and that he may not be a magic bullet.
Also worth noting, I don't think you'll be able to pry him out of the last year of his current contract to get him to come to DC. His youngest child is a senior in high school, and is contract is timed to end when they graduate.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140130/SPORTS0103/301300041
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ChibiPooky
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I'm curious as to why there hasn't been more talk about Kevin Dineen. Of the guys currently on the market, he might be my favorite (given my hesistance about Trotz's system and this team). If McLellan, Babcock, or Bylsma become available, it would change, but we could do far worse than Dineen.
NobodyBeatsTheWiz
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Big fan of Dineen as well. He could be a good fit here, and I don't mind guys that have experienced failure in the least. If they've got the right character, it can make them better (see Bill Belichek).
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I don't mean like a former player who happens to coach, I mean more like paul newman's character in slapshot.
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Im in for Trotz, he took teams to the playoffs whose highest point scorer was Martin Erat at 60. He never had an offensive talent to work with and when he did he go alot out of them. Weber and Suter both put up 45+ point seasons under Trotz in 11-12 imagine what Green, Carlson, and Orlov can do with much better offensive skills than those two. Not to mention Trotz would be coming into a team with far more skill than any of his past teams
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He hasnt had any forward talent to make successful, he must be doing something right though if Erat can put up multiple 50 point seasons and Weber can do the same
NobodyBeatsTheWiz
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And he must be doing something wrong with 2 playoff series wins in 7 playoff appearances.
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Ehhh. There's some truth to that, but it's not 100% accurate. Right after the 2004 lockout, he had a few teams that had offensive talent. Guys like Paul Kariya, Jason Arnott, JP Dumont, Alex Radulov, and Steve Sullivan pushed Martin Erat down on the scoring leaderboard. Not to mention that Filip Forsberg isn't the first Forsberg to put on a Predators jersey. Despite having some teams with legitimate offensive threats, Trotz wasn't able to get out of the first round of the playoffs. His teams won a grand total of six playoff games between 2003 and 2008.
I'm lukewarm on Trotz and this team.
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