Value of: Who on your team would you NOT trade for Bedard?

[TBF1972]

Is HFBoards trying to make Bedard annoying or something?

New poll: Which organ would you harvest for Bedard?
1) sibling’s kidney?
2) your own kidney?
3) least liked relative’s liver?
4) your pet dog’s heart?

are we as devils fans related?

jim's fishing rod? i would do.

 

[Happyhary9]

Both. If teams were making these kind of offers, the Hawks are for sure dealing the guy. I mean why not, they can get Auston Matthews++ for him and he hasn't even played. I am not saying Bedard isn't going to be great, but people are acting like he is a guaranteed 80+ pt player next season or ever. I hate the over-hype before the guy plays. Plenty of guys bust and plenty more still will no matter how good scouting is or gets. Furthermore he could just be underwhelming 60 pt career player, which is still good but not for the hype he gets. Otherwise, how come guys like Filip Zadina aren't the 40-30 guys like projected? I mean scouting is so good players never miss now, right? How come Yakupov sucked, I mean scouting was very good at this point?

I mean I get what you are saying overall when it comes to prospects. You don't compare the hit/miss of a Bedard teir prospect to guys like Yakupov. What I mean is there have been a handful of guys ever rated like Bedard. I talking about guys that were called generational level prospects, and not just when they were young but all the way through their draft year and accomplished things that only a few select players ever have.

So now what is the hit rate on those type of players? Guys like Gretzky, Mario, Lindross, Crosby, McDavid. AO some had him as a generational prospect, but some a teir below. An example of a guy I am not talking about would be Tavares. He was talked about as a possible generation talent at 15/16 but by draft time he was viewed more as a great prospect but not generation, as he never really took his game to the level of those other guys. So how many of those type prospects bust?

To me Bedard's floor is a Tavares level (ppg player) with a ceiling of a McDavid level guy. He is not just a great prospect, he is a teir above and you don't trade that (on ECL as well) chance for anything short of a big overpayment.

 

[RickyLafleur]

Would probably trade everyone on Ottawa, but it would be hard to part with Stutzle/Tkachuk.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I'll pack any of the Flames' bags for them

 

[Hockeyholic]

Bedard is definitely not physical either though. He is small, so weird to run down Pasta for this, and I haven't heard anything great about Bedard other than his offence.

To be fair, we can't judge him in the postseason until it happens.

Pastrnak either scores or he is doing nothing positive.

But Boston would never turn down an offer for Bedard vs Pasta. Even most Bruins fans would agree...

I hope.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Would probably trade everyone on Ottawa, but it would be hard to part with Stutzle/Tkachuk.

Yeah this is where I'm at. I'd throw Sanderson in there too as I value him just as highly.

I truly don't think there's an asset in the league more valuable than Bedard right now, even McDavid...

Stützle, Tkachuk and Sanderson all have the potential be Top 10 players at their respective positions IMO, but Bedard has the potential to be the best player in the world.

I'll take the latter.

 

[Coffee]

I believe I participated in the McDavid thread

I don’t think that’s true

 

[Maukkis]

Teams I think definitely do it:

Seattle, Vancouver, Calgary, San Jose, LA, Arizona, Minnesota, Winnipeg, Nashville, St.Louis, Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit, Philly, Islanders

Maybes but probably still do it:

Anaheim (Fantilli & Zegras/McTavish), Toronto (just due to Matthews only having a year left), Boston, Columbus

Probably not:

Dallas, Boston, Buffalo, Florida, Carolina, Washington (for Ovi breaking the record), Rangers

Definitely not:

Colorado, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh (similar to Washington for earned sentiment), New Jersey, Edmonton

I don't disagree with you on many accounts. I'd say the Canucks would hesitate more, possibly Ottawa too (again, how big an improvement would Bedard be over Stutzle, and is the gap big enough to warrant losing Tkachuk?). As for Columbus, it depends on which two of Werenski/Gaudreau/3OA you're giving up. I'd do Gaudreau + 3OA before the ink dried, but likely wouldn't have it in me to give up Werenski.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Obviously there's not a player on Montreal that I wouldn't move for him, the question comes down to how many pieces is too much?


If you get Bedard but you gut your core/prospect pool doing it then there's a good chance you'll be doing more harm than good.

 

[Happyhary9]

Bedard is definitely not physical either though. He is small, so weird to run down Pasta for this, and I haven't heard anything great about Bedard other than his offence.

I believe the whole size thing with Bedard has been kinda blown up, because of the article's from like a over a year ago at the WJC in 22, when he was 5'9 and 170. He was 16 at the time (people fail to remember he is one of the youngest in his draft class). He is now 5'10 and 185. He is actually quite strong on the puck with his lower body strength. He does occasionally gets rubed iff the puck on the boards (if you can get to him). This will improve as hus upper body starts to fill out more though. By 20 he will be probably like 5'10 and 200. Kid is not even 18 yet.

As far as the defense goes, yes Bedard needs to improve, which all young scoring phenomenons generally need to (think McDavid). All he really has to do is be average in his own zone, which he is considered a very hard worker so he will probably get their. But for the most part his best defense will be his ability to control the puck for long stretches in the O zone. It is hard to give up goals if you have the puck in the other teams zone

 

[oconnor9sean]

I would not trade Miro for Bedard. The Stars organization is very strong down the middle, so the benefit Bedard would bring would not be worth losing Heiskanen.

 

[cwede]

Zib, Fox, Shesty; not both of Miller/Schneider

One guy cant do it all. Sid/Geno have multiple Cups but Ovi only 1, none yet for Eichel, McDavid, Matthews, Seguin, Hall,..

 

[McSuper]

Connor Bedard is top 10 in trade value asset across the whole league. And he may be higher than 10, maybe closer to 5.

Habs - I'd trade any combination of 2 (or 3) assets for him.

McDavid is an obvious no in the NHL. But I think for every single other player in the league, the team at least considers it. Including Makar/Draisaitl/MacKinnon/Hughes/Fox etc. A lot of them may still be "no", but the team considers it very seriously at least.

As for Pittsburgh - Crosby and Malkin are great, but Bedard is enough of a game changer that in my opinion Pittsburgh 100% trades either/or for Bedard, sentiments be damned.

Forget value for a minute. If Edmonton trade Draisaitl McDavid very likely wants out as well. I rather trade McDavid and re-sign Draisaitl ( Obviously sign Draisaitl 1st )and get the 1st overall pick plus something else.

a Top 6 of Draisaitl , RNH , Kane , Bedard and Hyman . Sign Draisaitl to McDavid's current contract so we gain 7 plus million in cap. Move Yamamoto and Ceci and go after a high end RHD and a goal . Move Campbell even if we have to retain 50%. 15 million in cap to add a D , Goalie and a right winger. Oh Kalak an go as well opening another 3 with Broberg taking his spot. Come on down Karlsson

Bedard Draisaitl XXX
Kane RNH Hyman
Janmark Bjugstad XXX
XXX McLeod XXX

Bottom 6 got blankets as I have no clue who Holland bring back

Nurse Karlsson
Ekholm Bouchard
Broberg Vinny
XXX

 

[Suntouchable13]

Chicago, you can have anyone from the Leafs. No one is untouchable for Bedard.

 

[Hawkaholic]

There's one player in the league that you maybe wouldn't trade for him. Any other answer is just wrong.

 

[TBF1972]

myers is more than a neck above

 

[Bluesnatic27]

It's not a question of if the Blues would keep anyone for Bedard.

The real question is if the entire roster plus all of the Blues assets could come close to fetching Bedard.

 

[Eggtimer]

I would trade anyone but Luke or Jack Hughes.
Bedard could be better than either or both Hughes brothers but separating one of them would have a negative impact (piss off ) the other brother if one was traded for Bedard amd the net result wouldn’t be great.

 

[OKR]

There's one player in the league that you maybe wouldn't trade for him. Any other answer is just wrong.

Lol, this is where the hype goes too far.

There are multiple players that teams are not willing to let go just because Bedard MIGHT come as good as advertised. It’s just not smart to give up a top 10 C for for example for someone who could turn out to be anywhere between Yakupov or McDavid.

If you had 1000$, would you buy a box that could have anything between 1-1500$?

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Unfortunately I don’t think Bedard is going to be able to match the hype he’s getting right now.

 

[rogking65]

hope somebody remembers to bump this a couple of years from now

 

[OB5]

Pezzetta

 

[Hawkaholic]

Lol, this is where the hype goes too far.

There are multiple players that teams are not willing to let go just because Bedard MIGHT come as good as advertised. It’s just not smart to give up a top 10 C for for example for someone who could turn out to be anywhere between Yakupov or McDavid.

If you had 1000$, would you buy a box that could have anything between 1-1500$?

Nah, He'll be between Kane and McDavid, zero doubt in my mind. If I had a $1000, the box would be between $1250 and $1500.

 

[OKR]

Nah, He'll be between Kane and McDavid, zero doubt in my mind. If I had a $1000, the box would be between $1250 and $1500.

No, you would never have a 1250$ because that would mean there was literally 0% chance of of him busting or not reaching the insane hype. Statisically it’s just much more likely to have a average first pick than a player of Kane’s or McDavid’s level.

Majority of people involved in hockey thought Lafreniere was gonna be impact player the moment he steps on ice, that Yakupov would be the next Ovechkin or that Nugent-Hopkins and Hall would be saviours for Oilers.

For what it’s worth, i do think Bedard is above average 1st pick but there is no certainty of it at all.

 

[GCK]

Yeah this is where I'm at. I'd throw Sanderson in there too as I value him just as highly.

I truly don't think there's an asset in the league more valuable than Bedard right now, even McDavid...

Stützle, Tkachuk and Sanderson all have the potential be Top 10 players at their respective positions IMO, but Bedard has the potential to be the best player in the world.

I'll take the latter.

Bedard hype is out of control. He will never be close to McDavid. Best case scenario is MacKinnon.